MAGA and what it means

Make America Great Again

This is not asked in order to jeer, really I wondered exactly what section to post this in.

But I'm asking :- WHEN was America GREAT?

I'd like to know just what those in MAGA hats see as "greatness", what age are we talking about.

(I'm in the UK and often those who voted for Brexit seemed to have some sort of idea of a golden age in the past that was lost, and needed to be regained. The days of Empire! The spirit of the blitz!)

Was it when "men were men"? An age when someone born the very lowest could yet reach the very highest? Do we go back to the Wild West?

I read once a biography of Harry Truman. I was greatly impressed by the man. Maybe others would not agree.

Well, I'm rambling a bit, but my question remains - and I have genuine interest. Not looking for disputes and mud slinging.

Just asking. When exactly was America great, and of what did such greatness consist?

Thanks

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ElwoodBlues · M

@Reason10 says

WRONG on all counts. Those are bogus numbers from a far left rag.

Now is your chance to PROVE it!!

Here are the numbers in question.

JOB CREATION
Reagan 16.5 million
Clinton 18.6 million
Bush 5.8 million
Obama 8.9 million
Trump NEGATIVE 3 million

YEARLY DEFICIT
Reagan $79 billion to $152 billion
Clinton lowered our deficit from 255 billion to a $126 billion SURPLUS in 2001
Bush raised deficit from 0 to 1412 billion
Obama lowered deficit from 1412 billion to 585 billion
Trump raised from 585 billion up to ~4000 billion

DJIA
Jan 20 1981, Reagan takes office 946;
Jan 20 1989, Reagan leaves office 2235;
Up 136% or 11.3% growth per year.
Jan 20 1993, Clinton takes office 3242;
Jan 20 2001, Clinton leaves office 10588;
up 227%, or 15.92% growth per year.
Jan 20 2001, Bush takes office 10588;
Jan 20 2009, Bush leaves office 7949;
NEGATIVE 3.5% per year.
Jan 20 2009, Obama takes office 7949;
Jan 20 2017, Obama leaves office 19827;
up almost 150% over 8 years, or 12.1% per year (1.121^8=2.49).
Jan 20 2017, Trump takes office 19827;
Jan 20 2021, Trump leaves office 30,930;
up 56% over 4 years, or 11.76% growth per year.

I'm gonna use stock market growth as a proxy for overall economic growth (if you prefer a different stat, feel free to supply it)
"From 1952 through June 2020, annualized real stock market returns under Democrats have been 10.6% compared with 4.8% for Republicans." https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergeiklebnikov/2020/07/23/historical-stock-market-returns-under-every-us-president/#51469926faaf

So go ahead, @Reason10, look up your own numbers cite your sources, and prove me wrong!!

Or were you just bluffing??

Reason10 · 70-79, M

@ElwoodBlues KKKlinton's jobs?
https://www.epi.org/blog/nafta-twenty-years-disaster/
Instead, NAFTA directly cost the United States. a net loss of 700,000 jobs. The surplus with Mexico turned into a chronic deficit. And the economic dislocation in Mexico increased the the flow of undocumented workers into the United States.

Obama's jobs?
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/obama-democrats-dismal-record-on-jobs-since-2008
The 5.9 percent unemployment rate is a fraud. The percentage of adults working or seeking employment is the lowest since women began entering the labor force in larger numbers in the 1970s.
The economy is creating too many low paying jobs in industries like retailing and hospitality, but industries where men find good paying jobs are languishing. Since Obama took office, manufacturing has shed 400,000 jobs and construction nearly 500,000.

Unelected Joe's jobs?
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-slammed-over-preposterous-claim-he-created-more-jobs-in-2-years-than-any-president-in-4

Claremont Institute Communications Director Nick Short tweeted, "72% of all job gains since 2021 were simply jobs that were being recovered from the pandemic, not new job creation.

"Prior to the pandemic, job creation under Trump was 6.7 million—3 million more jobs than the current President.

You lose again.

ElwoodBlues · M

@Reason10 Your quote about Clinton's job numbers doesn't mention job growth at all!! Instead, it pretends that in some alternate non-NAFTA universe, there would be even more jobs🤣😂

Truth is, under Clinton 18.6 million jobs were actually created - 2 million more than Reagan. This data is from the same source Trump used to tout, the Bureau of Labor Statistics. You lose again.

Your source on Obama, foxnews.com/opinion is an OPINION piece!! My source for data, U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), is exactly the same source tRump touted so proudly. If Obama's unemployment data is "a fraud" then so is tRump's. You lose again.

And you quote "Prior to the pandemic, job creation under Trump was ..." So your new rule is to only cite numbers when things are going smoothly?? You didn't extend that courtesy to Obama, now did you?? Sorry, we rate all presidents with the same methodology. According to that methodology tRump's record, including his badly botched pandemic response, resulted in an overall job loss of THREE MILLION. You lose again.

UPDATE
And you respond with nothing but an opinion piece and childish insults. Do you think you're impressing anyone?

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Reason10 · 70-79, M

@ElwoodBlues All LIES.

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