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I read the Communist Manifesto and I didn't understand it.

This all came about when I got into an argument on here with some dumb libtard. He was talking s**t so I called him a Marxist. This A-hole then told me that I live in an echo-chamber, that I didn't know what Marxism was and I should read some Marx to educate myself. I told him to educate his own fat ass and blocked him but I went to read it anyway just to see.

The book was real short but it confused me. It didn't even mention Russia or any politics and is just talking s**t in big words about olden times Europe. It goes on and on about production relations and social conditions or whatever but like WTF has that got to do with the Moscow or the KGB? And what is a bourgeoisie anyway? Were they like a cult or something?

I wanna know this though so I destroy libtardocommies when I debate them. I think calling one of them a class-antagonism could be a real zinger. I know all you fellow Conservatives who call people Marxists understand this BS way better than me so please could you help?
TamTenn · 22-25
First of all, bourgeoisie is the middle class or "modern capitalists" (at least modern in Marx's time, Industrial Revolution, etc.).
Check out the SparkNotes of the Communist Manifesto if you really are interested about what it actually is. Also, it would be very good for you to research different types of governments and how they work, it's very enlightening, for me at least.
I find the idea of communism a great and ideal way of running a country, but we are human and it is impossible to run such a type of government effectively and peacefully and have everyone be happy. (The leader would have to not be power-hungry--the complete opposite of Stalin, Hitler, etc.)
If you do legit research, you will find that the happiest countries in the world are socialist, and I would love to live in a socialist country for a few years to see how it works personally.
I really hope you do look into this kind of stuff. It would be nice to have more people in this country (assuming that you're American, I apologize if I assumed wrong) who are not brainwashed into thinking any other type of government other then capitalism is the worst thing in the entire world and have their own opinion on different types of governments.
Sicarium · 46-50, M
Marxism forms the basis of socialism and communism. Most of it comes from the ramblings of Carl Marx, although it's been expanded on and twisted by generations of people trying to explain away the failures of socialism and communism.

Essentially, Marx envisioned a three-tiered society. Workers, factory owners, and politicians. The factory workers would be working less hours but putting out the same productivity due to industrialization. This meant they would have a lot free time on their hands. Marx was an aristocrat. Workers, the unwashed masses, having free time on their hands would mean they'd be around him, an aristocrat. That would be bad. So, his perfect society would be workers with free time pursuing leisure activities. Sitting in a park, learning to paint, going on community vacations, etc.

To pay for this, he would take money from the factory owners, the people running the means of production. Politicians would exist to take that money and redistribute it to the workers so they'd leave the aristocrats alone. Aristocrats would be the politicians.

The three tiers were based on collectivism. All workers would be treated the same, the factory owners would be treated the same, the politicians would all be treated the same. That's three different collectives.

This general hierarchy evolved into socialism and communism. Socialism defines those collectives purely by socio-economic status, and is the most pure to Marx's vision. Communism, real communism at least, gets rid of those three collectivists by saying anything that's a commodity, anything that can be bought, sold, or traded belongs to the community. This includes the factories and political power. So instead of three collectives, pure communism has only one.

Some socialists took socialism and Marxism and adapted them to cultural classifications. instead of defining collectives based on socio-economic status, collectives are based on any number of cultural groups. Gay, straight, white, black, latino, or whatever made up gender you can come up with. This forms the basis of intersectionality and social justice. Because we're dealing with cultural collectives here, some people refer to this as cultural Marxism. But Marx himself never espoused any collectives based on cultural standing or distinction.
A good example would be the PC/ free speach police finding absolutely anything offensive to shut down debate and silence opposition with shameful labels like racist sexist phobic ..
Just what is he saying?
Karlbodge · 22-25, M
@theoneyouwerewarnedabout: He said I was using marxist as an insult term but I didn't understand it. he said Marxism is critical understanding of the development of capitalism. Not the blue-print for an authoritarian state.
i use it as an insult..
Some ppl can put a good argument forward for communism and socialism. Everyone forgets to ad the human factor..
Karlbodge · 22-25, M
What does it mean dude? Can you help?
Socialclutz · 36-40, M
bourgeoisie I think I'd middle class workers equivalent, I didn't pay attention to carl Marx teachings in high school when we went over it. I was half asleep during those years from being up all night working on other homework. Either way keep up the good work friend
SW-User
👍. Libtardcommies made me laugh
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
KD try this:



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Tatsumi · 31-35, M
You're going to have to do a lot more reading then. Especially if you dont even know who the bourgeoisie are. Sorta paramount to the concept.
Karlbodge · 22-25, M
Grrrrr. You Bolshtard. I'm gonna dialectualize yer ass!

 
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