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Prigozhin died a year ago today

I nearly missed the anniverssary of his death. He's the only guy I've actively sought after with the intent of turning over info on his location to have him intentionally droned, I strictly stick to finding hostages, but he uniquely pissed me off. Wagner in general does too (especially in Africa), but I'm sticking to hostage location as my thing.

And had I found him, yeah, Ukraine would of droned him, and Putin would be sad, but we would of missed out on that fun day when he marched on Moscow, and came to the remarkable decision to back off last moment and walk around acting like everything was okay, like it was all a practical joke of some sorts between old buddies.

I was just looking at that.... like.... you can't almost invade Moscow and threaten the freaken Czar then back off and go on about your business like nothing happened. Putin is so going to kill you.

And I get the reason he backed off. He didn't see signs of getting enough political support so as to set up a government. If Putin merely fled, Prigozhin would of been screwed with loyalist forces coming out of Ukraine to retake Moscow. The oligarchs/boyars weren't going to resist Prigozhin, but nor were they ready yet for a boyar rebellion to back Prigozhin. That will come a bit after the war. They were uncertain then but fantasizing about it, but now more and more have seen what Prigozhin almost did and realize it might just work if done under the right conditions.

First time will look stable, but expect it to happen a few times. Expect more losses in those wars as alliances are drawn and redrawn than anything Russia has lost in Ukraine.

Prigozin's insane audacity lead to many war crimes, but it also lead to a comic ending. One that won't be forgotten by the russian people for a thousand years. If this was the 19th century he would of had four tragic operas made for him by now. You just gotta admire his balls for walking around in St. Petersburgh and Moscow like everything is okay as Putin aplits his mercenary army up in Belarus. Putin is hyperventilating trying to rescue his throne and plotting Prigozhin's desth, Prigozhin is mindlessly sitting down and eating spagetti like nothing is wrong. Nothing is wrong at all, not a care in the world. Remarkable.
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HikingMan · 51-55, M
If you really do what you say you do, is posting on a general chat site the best way to make your claim to fame ?

I doubt the veracity of this post and all that it entails.

One would think a person doing such things as you claim to be doing would have far better and much wiser ways to spend their time....

Pfft.
SW-User
Prigozhin did not have the intellect or humility to know his place, but even he did not think he was going to oust Putin in his mutiny. This was not his intention. He was upset that Wagner was going to be under control of the Russian army. The implication was that he would no longer be its boss, as Gerasimov and Shoigu were no longer willing to accept his antics. This rivalry was not useful to Putin anymore, so he was willing to get rid of Prigozhin after the failed Mutiny. Wagner had been fine in Syria and Africa; Prigozhin was no trouble in these places.

Ukraine was different because Prigozhin had attention. He had attention from Russians, and from international community. Wagner were widely known, and he could make videos and go on Telegram telling us how he felt. Doing this makes a difference in Ukraine because people care about Ukraine. He tried to make it into the Wagner or the Prigozhin show, and in a way that undermined the Russian military.

Prigozhin was a very effective commander, and Wagner saw successes in Ukraine. Was it about him or his country? He would have liked to be more aggressive and to have a quicker victory. Putin has not asked for a quicker war, and appears to be accepting of our pace in Ukraine. He did replace Shoigu this year.

We will see what happens in November when US elects their president. Without American weaponry and military support, they would not be able to fight. I think they have invaded Kursk oblast to strengthen their negotiating position.
@SW-User It looks like he set out to oust Putin, like 90% certain of it. He was using propagandist against Putin and shot down helicopters. That's being committed.

Showing up on the outskirts of the massive city of Moscow with nobody enthusastic, and legions of soldiers behind you loyal to Putin in Ukraine, not a good situation to be in.

I think had he showed up and people were dancing along the side of the road, and military units started to defect he certainly would of entered the city. Still would of lost, but he would of entered. When he entered Russia from Ukraine with his army he should of said alea iacta est. You're committed. You shouldn't be only finding out mid way there that you are not all that welcomed.
SW-User
@Dignaga Prigozhin was a very confident man, very driven by his ego. It is probable he really believed he would be victorious and keep Wagner after this mutiny. Nothing else except his own head could have led him to think this would be successful, and that there would be no repercussions.

Ousting Putin was still not his aim.
Enough Russian propaganda for today Dmitri, you can rest now.

 
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