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Support for Ukraine: Time for a Clear Decision

Since the start of the war, Ukraine has received significant support from the EU and the USA, totaling approximately $332 billion. The EU has contributed around $162 billion, while the USA has provided about $175 billion.

Now, we must make a clear decision: Either we end the support and give nothing more, effectively ending the war, or we provide Ukraine with enough resources to actually drive Russia out of their country and thereby end the war. This constant "giving a little" is not enough to maintain the status quo and will keep the war dragging on for decades. It is time to take a decisive stance and either fully support the conflict or cease aid entirely.
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The problem nobody talks about is no matter what your feelings are on the conflict the US and NATO are promising tons of money but can't deliver the product.

NATO and the US got Ukraine in an artillery heavy land war and according to even American news sources Russia is out producting the US and NATO combined on artillery shells.


The US and NATO can promise 5 trillion and it won't matter if they can't deliver actual ammunition.



And there are similar situations with other systems like air defense. There is a reason why the US has been sending them Vietnam era air defense systems like the hawk.


Ukraine has become a free money maker for US and EU weapons companies and a place for the same countries to dump their junk surplus.


And well the Times of India is already reporting General Syrskyi is looking to surrender. My guess is they will keep the show going till November so the war is not lost before the election.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
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NATO and the US got Ukraine in an artillery heavy land war
Really... I thought it was started when russia invaded the Crimean region of the sovereign democracy of Ukraine, and escalated when russia treacherously attacked the entire sovereign democracy of Ukraine with massive force.

That has resulted in the 2nd-best army in Ukraine now experiencing Day 914 of the nightmare they caused.

Oh well, maybe Day 915 will be better for them... or worse 😂

Russia is out producting the US and NATO combined on artillery shells
Is that why so many defective north korean artillery shells are exploding in russian artillery barrels? Perhaps putin should have a word about quality control during his next visit there 😀

dump their junk surplus
So you agree that the Ukrainians are kicking the russians in the teeth while using the West's obsolete and surplus equipment.

General Syrskyi is looking to surrender
Just to be clear... your claim is that the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine contacted a newspaper in a country allied with russia and told them that he wants to surrender?
Did he ring them in person, or did he send a text message? 😂
Strictmichael75 · 61-69, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow So Ukraine 🇺🇦 should just roll over and become Russian ?
Here you have a small army of brave Ukrainians fighting off the big bear 🐻
Who’s next then?
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Strictmichael75 The hollow man and his cabal of gangsters have openly stated that russia has no borders, that the former Soviet Union must be restored, and the additional countries that are russia's by right must be added.

When a neurotic autocrat tells you what he has planned, you'd be well-advised to believe him.
@Strictmichael75 It means Ukraine operates within objective reality.

Nobody is next. And the west created this mess.


The US and NATO have been fucking around for 25 years and now they are at the find out phase.

But Americans want to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian. That was always what this is about.
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Strictmichael75 · 61-69, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow you are so nave!
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow
what this is about
This is about russia's invasion of the sovereign democracy of Ukraine, and russia's stated intention to expunge Ukraine ad all Ukrainians with it.

This is about Ukraine's determination to survive at a personal, ethnic, cultural, and national, level... despite russia's relentless murder of Ukraine's men, women, children, and babies.

This is about Ukraine defending the values held by the Western liberal democracies... even in the face of the trump party's support for America's enemies... because they too hold those values dear, and they know that if they lose there will be no Ukraine.

You don't have to be Ukrainian to support Ukraine... you just have to be a decent human being.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
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openly stated

As in 'on the record'.
@newjaninev2 Except that is a straight up lie. You can say something is true. Doesn't make it a fact.
@newjaninev2 Even the first point of sovereignty is debatable with a vassal state. Also thanks to mister Zelensky the US client state of Ukraine no longer even pretends to be a democracy. Only Ukraine has cancelled all elections, had their president declare themselves essentially leader for life, made it illegal to negotiate peace, and has locked up and charged with treason all opposition of any significance.

And yeah, nobody ever talked about erasing Ukrainians....except such gems as Poroshenko bragging about shelling Ukrainian children because they happen to be ethnically Russian. Only Kiev declared 2 million Russian Ukrainians "terrorists".


And quit trying to pretend this is Gaza. it is not.


Well Ukraine doesn't maintain any democratic values of any kind at this point. And those are all just bullshit talking points meaning fighting and dying for American Empire.

But I mean you should know that since your own government has handed over it's sovereignty from England to Washington for decades at this point too.

Might make you feel better about being a colony again.
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