Support for Ukraine: Time for a Clear Decision

Since the start of the war, Ukraine has received significant support from the EU and the USA, totaling approximately $332 billion. The EU has contributed around $162 billion, while the USA has provided about $175 billion.

Now, we must make a clear decision: Either we end the support and give nothing more, effectively ending the war, or we provide Ukraine with enough resources to actually drive Russia out of their country and thereby end the war. This constant "giving a little" is not enough to maintain the status quo and will keep the war dragging on for decades. It is time to take a decisive stance and either fully support the conflict or cease aid entirely.

This page is a permanent link to the reply below and its nested replies. See all post replies »

LeopoldBloom · M

It's a stalemate. I don't think any amount of extra money will be enough for Ukraine to be able to push Russia out of the country. All the aid has accomplished is to prolong the war and stop Putin from winning. There are two possibilities from here. If Biden wins, Putin knows the aid will continue, and he's not going to prolong the war four more years in the hope that a president sympathetic to Russia will win in 2028. He'll declare victory and go home. If Trump wins, the aid will stop and Zelensky will give up eastern Ukraine and agree to never join NATO in return for a cessation of hostilities.

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

@LeopoldBloom russia will never cease hostilities.

russia's standard procedure has always been to deny any intention to steal, then steal as much as possible, and insist it now belongs to them. When the response causes them problems, they offer to return part of what they stole... leaving them with a nett gain. In the ensuing pause they quickly reposition themselves, return and steal what they gave back and as much extra as possible. When the response causes them problems, they offer to return part of what they stole... rinse and repeat.

Over and over and over... it's what russia has always done, but they're just starting to realise that this time nobody is going to play that particular game with them, so rather than their bots constantly calling for 'negotiations' they're now calling for 'peace plans'.

For the barbarians it's the same thing... breathing space during which the next, and even more deadly, phase will be planned and prepared.

LeopoldBloom · M

@newjaninev2 I agree, any peace treaty would be temporary. It's also meaningless to hold Ukraine to a permanent agreement to never join NATO.

The fact remains that Ukraine's fate hinges on the outcome of the election here. Trump has already said he will "end" the war by halting all military aid, which will mean victory for Russia in whatever form that takes.

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

@LeopoldBloom Vote accordingly 😀