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Persephonee · 22-25, F
I'm completely against the idea - not because women can't be effective soldiers and I'm all for women serving in the military, but because forcing women into combat in is a civilisation-wrecking level of decision.
Certainly, I think this applies in an all-out war situation. Peacetime national service is broadly a different kettle of fish, I think.
Men are simply more expendable - I don't care if people are going to accuse me of sexist reductionism or fantasising about an appalling Handmaid's Tale horror - women bear children and men don't, and if we are sacrificing (or just seriously risking) the way in which our society (indeed, species) perpetuates itself then really what is the point in the war in the first place?
Doubtless there is a breed of feminist that finds this very uncomfortable, but (again, without being reductionist), they tend to be the kind of person who while admirably vocal about important issues, doesn't tend to care that much about cultural perpetuation anyway, in my observation.
If a society reaches the point where women of childbearing age are being forced to fight on front lines then one might as well just issue a single bullet for everyone and save the enemy the trouble of the battle (because as a young woman you sure as hell don't want to be left alive).
This last point is why I don't think it's hypocritical to support conscription of Israeli women into the IDF. The events of October 7th (and many times before) give a good indication of what awaits them otherwise.
Certainly, I think this applies in an all-out war situation. Peacetime national service is broadly a different kettle of fish, I think.
Men are simply more expendable - I don't care if people are going to accuse me of sexist reductionism or fantasising about an appalling Handmaid's Tale horror - women bear children and men don't, and if we are sacrificing (or just seriously risking) the way in which our society (indeed, species) perpetuates itself then really what is the point in the war in the first place?
Doubtless there is a breed of feminist that finds this very uncomfortable, but (again, without being reductionist), they tend to be the kind of person who while admirably vocal about important issues, doesn't tend to care that much about cultural perpetuation anyway, in my observation.
If a society reaches the point where women of childbearing age are being forced to fight on front lines then one might as well just issue a single bullet for everyone and save the enemy the trouble of the battle (because as a young woman you sure as hell don't want to be left alive).
This last point is why I don't think it's hypocritical to support conscription of Israeli women into the IDF. The events of October 7th (and many times before) give a good indication of what awaits them otherwise.
Northwest · M
@Persephonee you would do well in Saudi Arabia.
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Northwest · M
@JollyRoger
The US, Israel, Ukraine, Lebanon (not an exhaustive list) have women in active combat units.
Your point: Women should not be conscripted into FRONT LINE combat is well taken.
The US, Israel, Ukraine, Lebanon (not an exhaustive list) have women in active combat units.
JollyRoger · 70-79, M
@NorthwestSorry... I miss your point. Are these women conscripted or are they volunteers? I know that service in the I.D.F. is compulsory in Israel.
Northwest · M
@JollyRoger For the IDF it is compulsory. I mixed up my response.