How can a POTUS drive inflation up, or down?
I'm told by the lefties that Biden has no effect on, or control of, inflation.
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ElwoodBlues · M
@Strictgram wonders
Yes we have. And we are well aware that Trump did a lousy job responding to Covid and that right-wingers like yourself give him a complete pass on that. And we are well aware that the Covid aftermath entailed worldwide inflation, and that you blame the Covid aftermath entirely on Biden. Yes, we're quite familiar with your hypocrisy on the subject of Covid.
All through Trump's term, our Covid per capita death rate was DOUBLE that of countries like Canada & Germany, resulting in about 550,000 Covid deaths under Trump.
If Trump had handled Covid as well as, say, Justin Trudeau, we'd have had 275,000 FEWER DEATHS! Put another way, Trump's mis-management of Covid cost more deaths than THREE Viet Nam wars!! Three Viet Nams in a SINGLE YEAR, not spread out over ten years like the actual war!!!
Sure, Covid came from outside. And different leaders in different countries managed it differently. Trump's piss-poor Covid management is made clear by the relative per capita death rates.
@LeopoldBloom
Ever hear of Covid?
Yes we have. And we are well aware that Trump did a lousy job responding to Covid and that right-wingers like yourself give him a complete pass on that. And we are well aware that the Covid aftermath entailed worldwide inflation, and that you blame the Covid aftermath entirely on Biden. Yes, we're quite familiar with your hypocrisy on the subject of Covid.
All through Trump's term, our Covid per capita death rate was DOUBLE that of countries like Canada & Germany, resulting in about 550,000 Covid deaths under Trump.
If Trump had handled Covid as well as, say, Justin Trudeau, we'd have had 275,000 FEWER DEATHS! Put another way, Trump's mis-management of Covid cost more deaths than THREE Viet Nam wars!! Three Viet Nams in a SINGLE YEAR, not spread out over ten years like the actual war!!!
Sure, Covid came from outside. And different leaders in different countries managed it differently. Trump's piss-poor Covid management is made clear by the relative per capita death rates.
"I look at it this way," Birx told CNN's Chief Medical Correspondent Sanjay Gupta. "The first time, we have an excuse. There were about 100,000 deaths that came from that original surge. All of the rest of them, in my mind, could have been mitigated or decreased substantially."
@LeopoldBloom
DogMan · 61-69, M
@ElwoodBlues Your graph appears to be total deaths, not just Covid deaths.
Also, Birx said many deaths could have been mitigated, why didn't you copy the
rest of the story? You know, explaining HOW? Oh yeah, she didn't blame
Trump, THAT is what you want to be implied.
Trump wanted to stop travel from China, Democrats said NO!
Also, Birx said many deaths could have been mitigated, why didn't you copy the
rest of the story? You know, explaining HOW? Oh yeah, she didn't blame
Trump, THAT is what you want to be implied.
Trump wanted to stop travel from China, Democrats said NO!
ElwoodBlues · M
@DogMan Yes, the graph is total deaths; the thing to notice is how much above baseline the 2020 deaths were. Here on SW I encounter a number of folks who claim the pandemic was just other causes of death wrongly attributed to Covid. That graph disproves that claim.
the next thing to notice is that a much better Covid response is possible; this is proven by the per capita deaths in Canada, Germany, and other developed nations.
As far as HOW, the answer was to take Covid seriously BEFORE the death rates start to soar. We watched it spread thru Italy and France a few weeks before it started spreading here. That was the warning.
And how did Trump respond to the info coming from Europe?? He LIED about the severity!! For over MONTH!!
Trump, Feb. 07 to Woodward: “It goes through the air. That’s always tougher than the touch. You don’t have to touch things. Right? But the air, you just breathe the air and that’s how it’s passed. And so that’s a very tricky one. That’s a very delicate one. It’s also more deadly than even your strenuous flus.”
Feb 10 “Looks like by April, in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away,”
Feb 19 “I think the numbers are going to get progressively better as we go along.”
Feb 23 “very much under control,”
Feb 26 “We’re going down, not up. We’re going very substantially down, not up.”
Feb 26 “...when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.”
Feb 28 concern about coronavirus “is their new hoax”
Feb 28 “we’ve lost nobody and you wonder the press is in hysteria mode.”
Feb 29 said a vaccine would be available “very quickly” and “very rapidly”
Mar 02 “We’re talking about a much smaller range” of deaths than from the flu.
Mar 04 (to Hannity) “It’s very mild.”
Mar 10 “And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.”
Mar 13 “No. I don't take responsibility at all.”
the next thing to notice is that a much better Covid response is possible; this is proven by the per capita deaths in Canada, Germany, and other developed nations.
As far as HOW, the answer was to take Covid seriously BEFORE the death rates start to soar. We watched it spread thru Italy and France a few weeks before it started spreading here. That was the warning.
And how did Trump respond to the info coming from Europe?? He LIED about the severity!! For over MONTH!!
Trump, Feb. 07 to Woodward: “It goes through the air. That’s always tougher than the touch. You don’t have to touch things. Right? But the air, you just breathe the air and that’s how it’s passed. And so that’s a very tricky one. That’s a very delicate one. It’s also more deadly than even your strenuous flus.”
Feb 10 “Looks like by April, in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away,”
Feb 19 “I think the numbers are going to get progressively better as we go along.”
Feb 23 “very much under control,”
Feb 26 “We’re going down, not up. We’re going very substantially down, not up.”
Feb 26 “...when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.”
Feb 28 concern about coronavirus “is their new hoax”
Feb 28 “we’ve lost nobody and you wonder the press is in hysteria mode.”
Feb 29 said a vaccine would be available “very quickly” and “very rapidly”
Mar 02 “We’re talking about a much smaller range” of deaths than from the flu.
Mar 04 (to Hannity) “It’s very mild.”
Mar 10 “And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.”
Mar 13 “No. I don't take responsibility at all.”
DogMan · 61-69, M
@ElwoodBlues Ok, I'm sure he said all those things, but words did not kill people.
Wasn't he the guy that put the vaccine on the fast track? I remember in the early
days when Trump was trying to do what he could, and Nancy Pelosi was telling
people not to worry, go out and have fun.
The fact is Elwood, this virus was an anomaly, no one, including the people
responsible for the virus, knew what to do. Trump put Fauci and Birx in charge.
Wasn't he the guy that put the vaccine on the fast track? I remember in the early
days when Trump was trying to do what he could, and Nancy Pelosi was telling
people not to worry, go out and have fun.
The fact is Elwood, this virus was an anomaly, no one, including the people
responsible for the virus, knew what to do. Trump put Fauci and Birx in charge.
ElwoodBlues · M
@DogMan You asked what Trump could have done differently. The biggest thing he could have done differently was to take it seriously at the early stages. What Trump said to Woodward on Feb 07 shows that Trump knew Covid was dangerous. But he publicly denied the danger for four long weeks. Four long weeks during which the virus was silently spreading and getting embedded.
The move effectively muzzled government scientists including Fauci & Birx in the crucial early days of the pandemic. While Trump was telling the nation that Covid was "their new hoax" he was also silencing people in CDC and NIH who would have said something different.
Again, your question was about what Trump could have done differently; the answer was to take Covid seriously in the EARLY days like Canada, Germany, South Korea, Japan, and many other nations did.
Wasn't he the guy that put the vaccine on the fast track?
Operation Warp Speed was a good thing, but it was an insurance policy. It funded 5 vaccine candidates of which 2 came to market: Moderna & J&J. But the first to market and most widely used in the US was Pfizer - developed in Germany by a Turkish couple without ANY Op Warp Speed funding. Trump put Fauci and Birx in charge.
Actually, in the early days, Trump put Mike Pence in charge of our Covid-19 Task Force and routed all government messaging on Covid thru Pence's office. https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/pence-will-control-all-coronavirus-messaging-from-health-officials/The move effectively muzzled government scientists including Fauci & Birx in the crucial early days of the pandemic. While Trump was telling the nation that Covid was "their new hoax" he was also silencing people in CDC and NIH who would have said something different.
Again, your question was about what Trump could have done differently; the answer was to take Covid seriously in the EARLY days like Canada, Germany, South Korea, Japan, and many other nations did.
DogMan · 61-69, M
@ElwoodBlues Trump was trying to stop the panic, he was not hindering the scientists,
that were working on the vaccine, and trying to figure out what to do.
He was trying to stop the hysteria. I remember seeing a woman with a mask, in a car,
screaming at a guy pumping gas, for not wearing a mask, then he touched his face,
and she lost her mind. Calming people down, did not increase the severity.
that were working on the vaccine, and trying to figure out what to do.
He was trying to stop the hysteria. I remember seeing a woman with a mask, in a car,
screaming at a guy pumping gas, for not wearing a mask, then he touched his face,
and she lost her mind. Calming people down, did not increase the severity.
ElwoodBlues · M
@DogMan
No other national leader needed to LIE to "stop the panic" (except maybe Putin & Kim Jong Un). And again, I'm talking about the early days when Covid was silently entrenching itself and Trump was saying "This is their new hoax." BTW, calling it a hoax and blaming it on democrats is a very weird way to "calm people down."
... did not increase the severity.
And yet, in 2020, we had TWICE the per capita death rate of nations like Canada and Germany. South Korea & Japan did even better than that.No other national leader needed to LIE to "stop the panic" (except maybe Putin & Kim Jong Un). And again, I'm talking about the early days when Covid was silently entrenching itself and Trump was saying "This is their new hoax." BTW, calling it a hoax and blaming it on democrats is a very weird way to "calm people down."
DogMan · 61-69, M
@ElwoodBlues We did not restrict travel like those countries.
Democrat politicians would NOT restrict anyone coming to the U.S. Biden also opened
the borders back up, as soon as he got into office.
There is blame to go around. Thinking that Hillary would have done better, would
be naive. Although I believe the MSM would have convinced most people that
Hillary did the best anyone could do, even if all things were the same.
The media tells us what to think, and who to hate.
Democrat politicians would NOT restrict anyone coming to the U.S. Biden also opened
the borders back up, as soon as he got into office.
There is blame to go around. Thinking that Hillary would have done better, would
be naive. Although I believe the MSM would have convinced most people that
Hillary did the best anyone could do, even if all things were the same.
The media tells us what to think, and who to hate.
ElwoodBlues · M
@DogMan Actually, Trump proudly restricted travel from China on Jan 31. However, he repatriated US citizens from infected countries without any testing or quarantine mechanism. Cutting of travel from China didn't solve the problem when Covid was spreading in Europe and South East Asia.
And Trump's CDC was terribly slow in developing a Covid test. World Health Org publicly released instructions for making a Covid test kit on Jan 17, 2020. South Korea was testing in volume by Feb 07. On Apr 30, 2020 the Capitol physician says he doesn't have enough tests for all senators; only those with symptoms. Testing simply was NOT a priority in the Trump admin.
And Trump's CDC was terribly slow in developing a Covid test. World Health Org publicly released instructions for making a Covid test kit on Jan 17, 2020. South Korea was testing in volume by Feb 07. On Apr 30, 2020 the Capitol physician says he doesn't have enough tests for all senators; only those with symptoms. Testing simply was NOT a priority in the Trump admin.
Thinking that Hillary would have done better, would be naive.
Maybe, maybe not. The direct comparison of per capita death rates shows that the US had a mediocre Covid response. And if Hillary handled Covid badly, don't you think republicans would have highlighted that and run against her Covid response?
DogMan · 61-69, M
@ElwoodBlues POLITICS
House Democrats just passed a bill to repeal Trump’s travel bans
The Senate isn’t likely to consider the bill, but it signals a key Democratic priority ahead of the presidential election.
by Nicole Narea
Jul 22, 2020, 2:47 PM PDT
Demonstrators gather near the White House to protest President Donald Trump’s travel ban on seven Muslim countries on January 29, 2017, in Washington, DC.
Demonstrators gather near the White House to protest President Donald Trump’s travel ban on seven Muslim countries on January 29, 2017, in Washington, DC. Zach Gibson/Getty Images
Nicole Narea
Nicole Narea covers politics and society for Vox. She first joined Vox in 2019, and her work has also appeared in Politico, Washington Monthly, and the New Republic.
Covid was the best thing that ever happened to Democrats, without it, they never would
have regained the White House.
House Democrats just passed a bill to repeal Trump’s travel bans
The Senate isn’t likely to consider the bill, but it signals a key Democratic priority ahead of the presidential election.
by Nicole Narea
Jul 22, 2020, 2:47 PM PDT
Demonstrators gather near the White House to protest President Donald Trump’s travel ban on seven Muslim countries on January 29, 2017, in Washington, DC.
Demonstrators gather near the White House to protest President Donald Trump’s travel ban on seven Muslim countries on January 29, 2017, in Washington, DC. Zach Gibson/Getty Images
Nicole Narea
Nicole Narea covers politics and society for Vox. She first joined Vox in 2019, and her work has also appeared in Politico, Washington Monthly, and the New Republic.
Covid was the best thing that ever happened to Democrats, without it, they never would
have regained the White House.
ElwoodBlues · M
@DogMan You do realize, don't you that a "travel ban on seven Muslim countries on January 29, 2017" has nothing to do with Covid, right?
Trump was good at taking credit for good things that happened during his presidency. He really couldn't cope with bad things such as Covid. Truly a fair weather president.
Trump was good at taking credit for good things that happened during his presidency. He really couldn't cope with bad things such as Covid. Truly a fair weather president.