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Suppose Trump was proven innocent on all indictments...

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Yes, I'd vote for Trump if he was totally proven innocent on all charges.
No, Even if proven totally innocent, I'd never vote for Trump
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Would you vote for Trump instead of Joe Biden?
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False dichotomy. If Trump was proven innocent, I'd still vote Biden because he's the better choice. But I wouldn't say I'd never vote for someone, it depends what the options are. Trump would be a better choice than DeSantis.
IM5688 · 61-69, M
@BohemianBoo Trump would also be a better choice than Newsom.
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IM5688 · 61-69, M
@BohemianBoo After seeing what he has done to California and hearing some of his ridiculous bills and/or agenda for California, I can see him doing the same to the country if he were potus. IMO, No thank you on Newsom.
@IM5688 Yeah, I don't want Newsom either. But he hasn't done anything fascist. He just has bad policies. America can recover from bad policies in a few years. But if the Trump Cult ends Democracy, that's going take decades to reverse. Maybe even centuries, considering Russia still isn't democratic.
accidentprone · 22-25, M
@BohemianBoo OMG, you want to go there. The world was at peace under Trump. It is only after Biden showed weakness and pulled out of the Middle East, troops first and allies and citizens last, and leaving trillions of dollars of equipment over there for the enemies to capture and use, did people like the leaders of Russian and China get emboldened and start all these wars and chaos, and now Israel gets attacked also. Trump finished a decades long promise of many Presidents before him to make Jerusalem the capital of Israel and put our embassy there. All before him promised and did not.

The USA was at peace under Trump, and so was the world.
accidentprone · 22-25, M
@BohemianBoo And we are a republic, not a democracy, and you are using that buzzword like you created it yourself, but it has no meaning, Trump is not stealing our Democracy, because we are NOT a Democracy, we are a Republic!!!
@accidentprone A Republic is a type of Democracy. When Republicans say "a Republic, not a Democracy," it's because they're Fascists. They're trying to redefine what it means to be a Republic. Basically, they want to replace the democratic elements with authoritarian elements.
accidentprone · 22-25, M
@BohemianBoo Quit changing the subject, tell me about Hunters laptop, and then also tell me why the USA and the world is so much better with Joe Biden as president.
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Ynotisay · M
@IM5688 But you know NOTHING about Newsom, huh 'murican? Just that he's from California and California scares the weak.
accidentprone · 22-25, M
@Ynotisay If you are a supporter of Newsom, you certainly do NOT have a minimum wage job.
@accidentprone
Well, you never answered the question about the laptop .You avoided that already.

You didn't ask a question about it. You literally just mentioned that it exists.

Our economy is booming? Really, is your economy booming?


the cost of everything has in some cases doubled or tripled and my income has not gone up much at all.

Again, inflation is up in every country as a result of the lockdowns ending. Jobs have massively increased under Biden, which is going to bring inflation back down.

America is more trusted now under Biden? Are fucking crazy, they have no trust for us anymore after what happened under Biden in Afghanistan, the Ukraine, and now Israel. All of these places were at peace while Trump was President and there was a reason for that. He showed peace by strength.

I don't know if you care about data, but the studies show that every western country views America more positively now than when Trump was president.

Biden was right for pulling out of Afghanistan. Obama and Trump didn't do it because they knew it was going to be a mess. Only Biden had the balls to do the right thing, then deal with the consequences

No, Ukraine wasn't at peace when Trump was president. Ukraine was at war with Russia over the Crimea invasion for all of Trump's presidency. This idea that we had world peace under Trump is truly insane. In fact, Trump lifting sanctions on Russia probably led to Russia invading the rest of Ukraine.

Biden's handling of Israel has been terrible, but like I mentioned before, the Hamas attacks happened because of Trump's policies. Neither president has been good on Israel, but Trump has been worse.

Biden not only closed as many oil producing resources as he could, in doing so he raised the price of gas to all of us, and also the price of gas to the entire world.

OMG! Can you do ANY research?! Oil production is higher under Biden than it was under Trump!

Look, I don't mind debunking the lies you hear from right-wing media, but you gotta use your brain a little. Understand that everything you hear from Fox is a lie.
accidentprone · 22-25, M
@BohemianBoo Fox is a lie now, I don't trust anything they say anymore. My lead source is Jesse Kelly, you should give him a listen if you really want the truth. I listen to others, because I am a mechanic and not every mechanic knows everything, but unless you listen to a bunch of mechanics you will learn nothing.
@accidentprone Literally everything you said here has been a righty talking-point that is easily debunked. I'm guessing Jesse Kelly is a fascist pundit, just like the kind on Fox.

Seriously, how can you hear that Biden shut down oil productions and not fact-check that?
accidentprone · 22-25, M
@BohemianBoo It is completely true, he admitted it. He has been shutting down coal, oil, and trying to shift everything electric. Where do you think all that electricity is going to come from if we do not have coal, or oil?
@accidentprone So then how are we producing more oil under Biden than we were under Trump?

Just as a sanity check, you know Biden is against the Green New Deal, right? You know that never passed?
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accidentprone · 22-25, M
@BohemianBoo They passed it under the Inflation Reaction Act. Biden was quick to sign it and it makes inflation worse not better.
accidentprone · 22-25, M
@accidentprone My bad Inflation Reduction Act, which increase inflation not reduce it, it is always the opposite of what they say.
@accidentprone So why are we producing more oil now than under Trump? Why are we closer to being energy independent now?
Stop just repeating the lies you hear from the Right and explain to me how these claims are possible. If you believe the Green New Deal was passed, show me the proof.

Bee tee dubs, I'm a Socialist. I wish Biden did pass the Green New Deal. But because I live in reality, I can't just pretend he did.
accidentprone · 22-25, M
@BohemianBoo You keep asking me for proof, I am now asking you to provide it. Give me the proof this is true.
accidentprone · 22-25, M
I can only say I got proof because I got it from 3 different sources or more. I never believe on one single source it has to be three or more.
@accidentprone
You keep asking me for proof, I am now asking you to provide it. Give me the proof this is true.

You're asking for proof that the Green New Deal did NOT go through? That's like asking me to prove God does not exist. You're making the claim, it's on you to provide the evidence.

I can only say I got proof because I got it from 3 different sources or more

Were they all right-wing fashy pundits?
accidentprone · 22-25, M
@BohemianBoo The Green New Deal has nothing to do with Joe Biden, it is congress, and what Joe Did sign is the Inflation Reduction Act which is the same thing, only scaled down a bit.