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Sidewinder · 36-40, M
"Wars have always been fought over the most trivial things."
-Julius Caeser.
-Julius Caeser.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@Sidewinder Why is that? The price you pay when the bombs drop on your head is not trivial. Are you trivial? Is that the reason?
How does religion cause war which is human conflict incited by fear and driven by rage?
It causes war because people confuse religion with a way to have salvation. Jesus never once said in His Word, that salvation is determined by one's denomination/group they belong to and that salvation is not even determined by our performance. He made that crystal clear in His Word. Jesus died on the cross and paid for the sins of the whole world, that means everyone, not a select few.
It causes war because people confuse religion with a way to have salvation. Jesus never once said in His Word, that salvation is determined by one's denomination/group they belong to and that salvation is not even determined by our performance. He made that crystal clear in His Word. Jesus died on the cross and paid for the sins of the whole world, that means everyone, not a select few.
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sree251 · 41-45, M
@LadyGrace [quote] In this day and age, it's pretty obvious that Jesus' teachings of love have died in the hearts of many in this whole world. That's not because of religion. That's actually a sinful condition of the hearts of people. [/quote]
I don't think Jesus' teaching of love was ever understood. Life in this world is a frightening experience. There is constant toil and never enough money to live on. We don't cooperate to meet common need for food, clothing, and shelter in the elimination of poverty worldwide. You would think that the west would have done that with the benefit of Christian civilization that brought about the Renaissance and Industrial Revolution. The acquisition of superior technology was used to subjugate and colonize weaker cultures around the world to exploit their natural resources. What we have today is a powerful western bloc of Christian nations set on crushing any challenge to their hegemony.
We live on a beautiful planet. Beautiful mother nature provides. We would turn this wonderful paradise into a living hell.
I don't think Jesus' teaching of love was ever understood. Life in this world is a frightening experience. There is constant toil and never enough money to live on. We don't cooperate to meet common need for food, clothing, and shelter in the elimination of poverty worldwide. You would think that the west would have done that with the benefit of Christian civilization that brought about the Renaissance and Industrial Revolution. The acquisition of superior technology was used to subjugate and colonize weaker cultures around the world to exploit their natural resources. What we have today is a powerful western bloc of Christian nations set on crushing any challenge to their hegemony.
We live on a beautiful planet. Beautiful mother nature provides. We would turn this wonderful paradise into a living hell.
@sree251 I still think we can't blame that strictly on Christians. Like I say it's a world responsibility, everyone included needs to work towards these goals you spoke of. Yes it's very sad what some have done to this world. It is beautiful and man sure seems to have a knack for destroying things. History proves it.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@LadyGrace [quote] I still think we can't blame that strictly on Christians. [/quote]
I do blame us Americans. Our blessed country, founded by Christians, is literally Heaven on Earth. The gorgeous Hudson River Valley is typical of America's natural beauty that inspired the transcendental movement. This is what spirituality is about. It is a living state of divinity. The earth is rich and our farms could grow everything for ourselves and the hungry of the world. And what did we do? We built the most powerful military mankind has ever known to terrorize and kill millions of people in impoverished Southeast Asia and the Middle-East.
We westerners, who were barbarians, were civilized by Christianity that gave us great art, literature, and science. How much more blessed can we get? Why didn't we share that blessing with our poor neighbors in Mexico, Central and South America? We could have done what China is doing: implement our own Belt and Road initiative and extend our road and rail infrastructure from California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas to Mexico, thru Panama, and all the way down to Chile and Argentina. Cost of all our wars till today since Korea is $9.5 trillion. If this money was spent to uplift the lives of those less blessed than us, we would not have to deal with migrants flooding in now.
I do blame us Americans. Our blessed country, founded by Christians, is literally Heaven on Earth. The gorgeous Hudson River Valley is typical of America's natural beauty that inspired the transcendental movement. This is what spirituality is about. It is a living state of divinity. The earth is rich and our farms could grow everything for ourselves and the hungry of the world. And what did we do? We built the most powerful military mankind has ever known to terrorize and kill millions of people in impoverished Southeast Asia and the Middle-East.
We westerners, who were barbarians, were civilized by Christianity that gave us great art, literature, and science. How much more blessed can we get? Why didn't we share that blessing with our poor neighbors in Mexico, Central and South America? We could have done what China is doing: implement our own Belt and Road initiative and extend our road and rail infrastructure from California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas to Mexico, thru Panama, and all the way down to Chile and Argentina. Cost of all our wars till today since Korea is $9.5 trillion. If this money was spent to uplift the lives of those less blessed than us, we would not have to deal with migrants flooding in now.
When you say that Jesus is just a story created by Jews for Christianity, that is not testimony that you believe in Jesus as your Savior. So following his teachings as you claim to do, means nothing if you don't follow the Shepherd. But if you do, you need to make that clear, so there's no confusion and people know exactly where you stand.
Aidankenny23 · M
Religion is the binding force in a world torn apart by religion.
Aidankenny23 · M
@LadyGrace [quote]because you kept asking me questions [/quote] Please give me one "question" that I actually asked you...
sree251 · 41-45, M
@Aidankenny23 [quote] Religion is the binding force in a world torn apart by religion. [/quote]
Religion is indeed a "binding force". It gives you a sense of belonging to those who share your belief.
Does religion tear mankind apart? What is the basis of this observation of yours?
Religion is indeed a "binding force". It gives you a sense of belonging to those who share your belief.
Does religion tear mankind apart? What is the basis of this observation of yours?
robertsnj · 56-60, M
So the question is:
[quote]How does religion cause war which is human conflict incited by fear and driven by rage?[/quote] ?
took you a long time to get there. See you are Catholic and on team-Jesus.
First I would say when you lump in "all wars" it makes the question almost nonsensical. It is hard to go through every war in history without any time boundries, size boundries or duration boundries and build a trend. However some dude (or dudette) who is really smart in math will make a software application that can crunch that data by parameter one day. I don't think that exists today though.
On the broadest terms religion is one of the more common componets to war but still a distant second to economic considertions. However some wars specifically run by Team Jesus in our modern time include:
Rwanda Genocide where Catholics performed ethnic cleansing on Muslims
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/20/pope-francis-asks-for-forgiveness-for-churchs-role-in-rwanda-genocide
The Bosian war where Chrisitans attempted ethinic cleansing of Muslims
https://srebrenica.org.uk/what-happened/bosnian-war-a-brief-overview
to the short 30 day war in Argentina
https://library.bc.edu/facpub/2015/11/morello-catholic/
and who can forget "Gott Mitt Uns" Adolf Hitler
cartoon comedy skit about Hitler and religion with quotes from Mein kampf below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP_iNCGH9kY&t=438s
As a final footnote here is a partical lists of Gods who died and came back before your Jesus showing the blatant plagerism by Christianity of the resurrection myth.
https://www.nairaland.com/5133664/list-gods-died-resurrected-after
[quote]How does religion cause war which is human conflict incited by fear and driven by rage?[/quote] ?
took you a long time to get there. See you are Catholic and on team-Jesus.
First I would say when you lump in "all wars" it makes the question almost nonsensical. It is hard to go through every war in history without any time boundries, size boundries or duration boundries and build a trend. However some dude (or dudette) who is really smart in math will make a software application that can crunch that data by parameter one day. I don't think that exists today though.
On the broadest terms religion is one of the more common componets to war but still a distant second to economic considertions. However some wars specifically run by Team Jesus in our modern time include:
Rwanda Genocide where Catholics performed ethnic cleansing on Muslims
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/20/pope-francis-asks-for-forgiveness-for-churchs-role-in-rwanda-genocide
The Bosian war where Chrisitans attempted ethinic cleansing of Muslims
https://srebrenica.org.uk/what-happened/bosnian-war-a-brief-overview
to the short 30 day war in Argentina
https://library.bc.edu/facpub/2015/11/morello-catholic/
and who can forget "Gott Mitt Uns" Adolf Hitler
cartoon comedy skit about Hitler and religion with quotes from Mein kampf below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP_iNCGH9kY&t=438s
As a final footnote here is a partical lists of Gods who died and came back before your Jesus showing the blatant plagerism by Christianity of the resurrection myth.
https://www.nairaland.com/5133664/list-gods-died-resurrected-after
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sree251 · 41-45, M
@robertsnj [quote] First I would say when you lump in "all wars" it makes the question almost nonsensical. [/quote]
All wars are instances of human conflict caused by fear and rage. Take the Ukraine war, for example. The US and NATO is fearful of Russia and expanded its reach into Ukraine right beside Russia's borders. This caused rage in Russia. It's the same situation in East Asia. The fear of China's growing economic power has caused the US to meddle with China in Hong Kong fomenting riots there, and supplying arms to Taiwan on top of encircling the Chinese with American military bases in Japan, South Korea, and Philippines. This has caused fear in China resulting in her military build up in the South China Seas. US instigation in the supplying of arms and to Taiwan and placing US troops in Kinmen Island has caused rage in China. The US is spoiling for a fight and will get it.
All wars are instances of human conflict caused by fear and rage. Take the Ukraine war, for example. The US and NATO is fearful of Russia and expanded its reach into Ukraine right beside Russia's borders. This caused rage in Russia. It's the same situation in East Asia. The fear of China's growing economic power has caused the US to meddle with China in Hong Kong fomenting riots there, and supplying arms to Taiwan on top of encircling the Chinese with American military bases in Japan, South Korea, and Philippines. This has caused fear in China resulting in her military build up in the South China Seas. US instigation in the supplying of arms and to Taiwan and placing US troops in Kinmen Island has caused rage in China. The US is spoiling for a fight and will get it.
Northwest · M
[quote]How does religion cause war which is human conflict incited by fear and driven by rage?
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I'm sure it's occurred to you that the flaw in your theory, is that you start out by saying that religion was invented by mere mortals, and but then you blame war on religion.
Religion was invented by humans.
War is invented by religion.
Therefore war is invented by humans.
Would you like a diagram (not really, I don't have the energy, and then I would have to upload an image).
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I'm sure it's occurred to you that the flaw in your theory, is that you start out by saying that religion was invented by mere mortals, and but then you blame war on religion.
Religion was invented by humans.
War is invented by religion.
Therefore war is invented by humans.
Would you like a diagram (not really, I don't have the energy, and then I would have to upload an image).
sree251 · 41-45, M
@Northwest [quote] I'm sure it's occurred to you that the flaw in your theory, is that you start out by saying that religion was invented by mere mortals, and but then you blame war on religion.
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Did I blame war on religion? Religion is always cited as the cause of war. I asked the question "how does religion cause war?" Two world wars were fought in Europe among Christian nations. There are always reasons why people fight. In contrast, large scale wars have not erupted among non-Christian cultures. The only exception was Japan that went on a rampage throughout Asia. It was the only country poisoned by western culture at the time.
I have been trying not to influence this discussion by my own opinion. Looks like you guys will never get it. So let me spit it out to you.
Western civilization formed by Christianity is inherently fractious. It is a threat to world peace. Why?
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Did I blame war on religion? Religion is always cited as the cause of war. I asked the question "how does religion cause war?" Two world wars were fought in Europe among Christian nations. There are always reasons why people fight. In contrast, large scale wars have not erupted among non-Christian cultures. The only exception was Japan that went on a rampage throughout Asia. It was the only country poisoned by western culture at the time.
I have been trying not to influence this discussion by my own opinion. Looks like you guys will never get it. So let me spit it out to you.
Western civilization formed by Christianity is inherently fractious. It is a threat to world peace. Why?
elafina · 36-40, F
It's not religion is the hatred and the fear that lays within us humans ... Religions are beautiful.
But of course they are tools and are used to manipulate just like other things, for example politics, jobs, genders, cultures, anything that distinguishes us and ends up separating us if we're not living consciously
But of course they are tools and are used to manipulate just like other things, for example politics, jobs, genders, cultures, anything that distinguishes us and ends up separating us if we're not living consciously
sree251 · 41-45, M
@elafina [quote] It's not religion is the hatred and the fear that lays within us humans ... [/quote]
The US has been afraid of losing control of the world. We are now afraid of Russia and China. If Christianity is beautiful, why are we Christians bearing nuclear weapons that make us fearsome?
The US has been afraid of losing control of the world. We are now afraid of Russia and China. If Christianity is beautiful, why are we Christians bearing nuclear weapons that make us fearsome?
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
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BohemianBoo · M
Japan was a big cause of WWII too. Really, the reason most of the main countries of the world wars were in the West is because those countries were the most powerful. There have been plenty of wars in the East, they just weren't as widescale because those countries weren't global leaders.
The main cause of war is material conditions. Though religion does dumb people down, which makes them more susceptible to pro-war propaganda.
The main cause of war is material conditions. Though religion does dumb people down, which makes them more susceptible to pro-war propaganda.
Heartlander · 80-89, M
Mostly because the left leaning media of the West doesn't bother to report the brutal wars that raged in China, Indochina, and Russia. Tally up the casualties of revolutions there and they match the casualty counts of Europe's 2 great wars.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
Only religious war happening today is Shia vs Sunni. I wouldn’t consider Muslims killing Christian’s in Nigeria a religious war.
jackieash · 26-30
Define "sin".
sree251 · 41-45, M
@jackieash [quote] Warring parties in WW2 were not all Christians. Japan? [/quote]
Great point. Japan was a different matter altogether. It needed natural resources and were at war with and invading China at the time. I suppose the east is as bad as the west. Japan industrialized in 1870 and absorbed western cultural poison. A Japanese guy I met in Tokyo told me that without assimilating western philosophy, Japan would not have been able to develop western technology.
Great point. Japan was a different matter altogether. It needed natural resources and were at war with and invading China at the time. I suppose the east is as bad as the west. Japan industrialized in 1870 and absorbed western cultural poison. A Japanese guy I met in Tokyo told me that without assimilating western philosophy, Japan would not have been able to develop western technology.
darkmere1983 · 46-50, M
man is the cause of war.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@darkmere1983 We know that.
TrashCat · M
@darkmere1983 In the name of Christ and Alla
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sree251 · 41-45, M
@LadyGrace [quote] What an answer from someone who claims to be a Christian. [/quote]
I did not claim to be anything. I was baptized when I was a newborn baby. It was a ritual that made my grandma happy. I stopped practising the faith when I realized that it was not necessary for me.
[quote] I have news for you. The Bible was never a crutch for the lame and crippled. [/quote]
Prove it to yourself that you can live right unaided like Jesus could.
[quote] But it IS the remedy for sinful mankind. [/quote]
There is no remedy for sin.
I did not claim to be anything. I was baptized when I was a newborn baby. It was a ritual that made my grandma happy. I stopped practising the faith when I realized that it was not necessary for me.
[quote] I have news for you. The Bible was never a crutch for the lame and crippled. [/quote]
Prove it to yourself that you can live right unaided like Jesus could.
[quote] But it IS the remedy for sinful mankind. [/quote]
There is no remedy for sin.
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@Reason10
[quote]I don't believe in judging an entire religion for the actions of some of them. [/quote]
That's the truth. And it's not only one religion that goes to war. There are many around the world. He just happened to pick on Christianity.... As follows:
"Western civilization formed by Christianity is inherently fractious. It is a threat to world peace."
Then lies about it and turns around and says he didn't say that when obviously he did in quite a few places.
[quote]I don't believe in judging an entire religion for the actions of some of them. [/quote]
That's the truth. And it's not only one religion that goes to war. There are many around the world. He just happened to pick on Christianity.... As follows:
"Western civilization formed by Christianity is inherently fractious. It is a threat to world peace."
Then lies about it and turns around and says he didn't say that when obviously he did in quite a few places.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@Reason10 [quote] I don't believe in judging an entire religion for the actions of some of them. But since we're talking about religion, we might as well point out the guilty party today. [/quote]
I am concerned about our own western cultural moral conduct. We have blood on our hands. You may feel better about yourself if others also have blood on their hands. I don't.
I am concerned about our own western cultural moral conduct. We have blood on our hands. You may feel better about yourself if others also have blood on their hands. I don't.