Should I be a capitalist or not? I support traditional family values and marriage.

Most people who are called "conservative" in the USA (where I live) support all the based trad values I do. They also support capitalism and votes for the party (the republicans) who have more free market principals than the left party. This makes me wonder why those two things go together in America, and if they have to? I don't wanna say "down with the capitalist system" so quick, because if i'm wrong, I could be damning a really good thing. Plus the last motherfucker to do that was Karl Marx, and it ended pretty fucking bad.

That said, as a laymen who's only economic credintials was passing econ 101 in college, I just don't see why capitalism has to be the best for a world where monogamous homogenous marriages are the standard, and s3xual degeneracy is put down. The love of money is the root of all evil, so how would a system that establishes it's hierarchy based on how good one is at obtaining money produce a good society? It seems to me that the promotion of everything I oppose is often pushed BECAUSE it makes a dollar. Sex sells, purity doesn't. I hate cultural marxism, but is not cultural capitalism also degenerate? Cultural marxism seems to promote low birth rates, polyamory, and gender confusion, but cultural capitalism seems TO ME to promote this as well.

So, what system if the best for influencing the culture in a moral direction? Fascism? I

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Penny · 46-50, F Best Comment

capitalism is what made the US as great as it is. of course everything has its positive and negatives to it. i dont think capitalism has that much to do with sexual morality although the whole sex sells thing might influence society negatively so maybe thats a case against capitalism. if people werent prostituting their images to make money maybe wed have less bad influences. still, i think getting rid of capitalism would be like throwing the baby out with the bathwater. traditional family values still exist and marriage as well but they are being challenged by liberal thinkers i think. so id say the enemy is not capitalism so much as the people who push things like LGBTQ+ acceptance (and all teh other "deviant" sexual mores that go along with it) just embracing things like fetishism and stuff like that, polyamory, just general openmindedness to relationships outside teh traditional nuclear cis marriage model.

BRUUH · VIP

@Penny I'm not against gay people, honestly. I actually think gay people cannot help who they are attracted to, so they should have a space to be themselves. I am against the so called "LGBT" community tho. Not all gay people identify with the LGBT movement, and many say "i'm just gay".

I'm more concerned with promiscuity and the fact that in this world, most people want an exclusive partners, but have a very hard time finding this, and the reasons why it's hard to find are directly linked to hookup culture and the eradication of holding happy monogamous families in high regard.

I give you best comment tho, because you make a really solid point.

BRUUH · VIP

@BRUUH Just so everyone is clear, when I say "i'm against the LGBT community" it doesn't mean i'm against all queers. Saying that being against the LGBT movement and community makes me anti-gay, is like saying that being against the white identitarian movements makes me anti-white. Most identitarian movements have negative goals, and I think the gay community is no exception. You guys probably think i'm lying but i'd say that like MOST of my friends are queer on some level.

Penny · 46-50, F

@BRUUH i have nothing against gay people either. The whole lgbtq movement just opens a lot of doors to change from traditional christian held values in general i think

BRUUH · VIP

@Penny I think a lot of those christian values are just common sense values tho. Like, Japan for instance is one of the most secular nations in the world, and yet they encourage being married and having a family (at least they did when I checked; things may be changing but I hope not).

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JollyRoger · 70-79, M

@Penny Good thoughts there, Penny. Too much of a 'good thing' is a bad thing because people fail to examine alternatives or even seek to see if there are viable alternatives to the way they perceive the world = they 'take it for granted'. Look out at the rest of the world: there are many countries where capitalism is the mode of assuring prosperity - people build enterprises; they engage people to produce products for sale; other people (countries even) buy them; a profit is gained; the profit is reinvested after expenses are paid and growth and wealth are made available to all participants.... it's a good system. However, it's only a good system to the people who CAN participate in it. And, when I say "Can participate" I mean that there are exclusions such as: people who are uneducated, people who are ill, people who are mentally deficient; and worst: people who are excluded on the basis of what they believe or the color of their skin. It is these people who need help to survive and to be accepted into the realm of capitalism - EVEN IF it means extending charity (free money) to them to get them on an equal standing. The problem most often is that our governments don't commit to long term planning that see such "social projects" to completion. There are some countries where the governments (still capitalistic) do plan (or try to plan) for the integration of all people - Sweden, Norway, Canada are examples where the philosophy of getting a dollar and claiming it wholly as 'MINE" is softened and (even though there is waste and abuse in the spending) there are programs to raise people up. I've heard disparaging American people say, "That's Socialism!" - no it's not.... it's still capitalism practised with a social conscience.
If you come to Canada (for example) do you feel any sense of loss of identity or 'group-think' that prevents you from being an individual? I live there and I don't. And I don't mind giving a hand-UP to a person in need - whether I do it myself or if the government does it for me.