Should I be a capitalist or not? I support traditional family values and marriage.

@SatanBurger You don't have to force; you can incentivize. That said, i'm not opposed to force in itself, not anymore than you are at least. I'm not convinced that the only way or the most practical way to create a moral world is by force, but if it is, then I don't have a problem with that. My main priority is having a moral and wholesome world, not making sure that the worst people in society don't have their rights trampled on.

@BRUUH How do you incentivize monogamy when some people aren't naturally monogamous?


I highly doubt people who aren't in traditional marriages are the "worst" people in the world, if that's who you deem the worst of the worst then you have first world problems lol.

@BRUUH Being a necrophiliac isn't the same as not being monogamous. Necrophiliac is a paraphilic disorder whereas being poly, having open relationships, same sex relationships or any other non traditional type relationship is not. People have always been and always will be either monogamous or non-monogamous. You simply can't force someone to be who they're not, whether incentivized or not.


Right. So just punish them by not giving them any money when they need it to take care of their non-traditional houses and children, essentially starving them out until they get with an approved spouse of your choosing. Yeah okay.


Meh. That's just your opinion, I'm sure to the people in non traditional homes that take care of their children, to them, I can imagine the most dangerous person is someone who uses their prejudice to harm others out of supposedly "good causes." But I realize your opinion doesn't actually harm others nor do you physically want to hurt others, however I'm sure the people in non-traditional homes taking care of their lives and business should be more afraid of those with hang ups in their lives than not.

@SatanBurger It didn't likened the two because I claimed polyamory was a disorder too. I likened to necrophilia because they are both immoral, and I was making the point that in the same way that necrophilia being "natural" or "unnatural" to people tells us nothing about whether people should do it, so the same with being a poly or mono.

Yeah, I don't believe in giving free shit to people who put kids in bad situations. I believe in getting kids into good situations.


I don't really care what they think lmfao. You might as well tell a communist that a capitalist hates them too, as if that means anything.
That said, I don't use my prejudice, I use my logic. Prejudice means "to pre-judge". I don't do this. I judge based on what evidence shows is the best for kids and society as a whole.

I also wanna point out that I'm not offended by any of the things you're using against me as a pejorative. A zealot? Doesn't bother me. I am zelous for truth, justice, and compassion. Right now, young people's mental health is worse than ever; without denying this is the case, do you have a solution? If so, i'd love to hear it. Most people want someone who loves them and is soley commited to them, yet do not have this... outside of just using an ad-hominem, do you have any solution to this?

@SatanBurger I have a genuine question for you: What is your point when you argue with me? Like, what is the over arching thesis you're trying to get through to me with when you comment on my shit? I look through what you say and all I can see is that you're pro-freedom, and you think it's wrong for me to take away people's fun. Is there more? What do you wish you could get through to me? If it isn't something about what actually is going to be better for people as a whole in the long run, then with all due respect (and i'm not sure any is due, honestly) you should just block me, because I think you're too far gone, and you probably think I am too. I don't see any value in talking with someone who cares more about upholding freedom to pursue sexual pleasure above a timeless value like justice and basic child wellbeing.

@BRUUH
And your qualifications aside from armchair psychology are?

https://www.relationshipsarecomplicated.com/is-polyamory-a-mental-illness/



https://news.umich.edu/trust-satisfaction-high-in-consensual-open-relationships/


That's your opinion that they're put in bad situations, kids are put in bad situations all the time by monogamous couples, quite literally. Since monogamy is still more widely accepted, this makes monogamous people actually abuse their children more since statistically they make up more of the population so there's no way that they are all put in bad situations specifically because of non traditional relationships like consensual open relationships, poly or LGBT+ parenting. The numbers literally don't work in your favor and religious communities been in the news for decades, there's a clear prejudice here collectively.


You pre-judge when you assume children are put in bad situations and assume that children are always safer with monogamous couples despite the evidence, that's what prejudice is. You are in fact, pre-judging. I'm sure everyone thinks they're being logical when they feel like they have people's best interests at heart but they say the road to hell is paved with good intentions.



I'm not sure what you're saying, why do I need a point to counter illogical arguments on the internet? I don't need anyone's permission.


No. It's not "fun" for people, they are naturally non-monogamous and aren't with people just for "funsies." By trying to label their relationships and what they feel "for them," this is essentially gaslighting.



Honestly? I can't get through to you, I just am being honest about what I feel. I'm not going to sit here and lie to you or mince words and if you feel like it's harsh I really am sorry, actually not really meaning to be harsh about things but people should know when they're wrong. I do know that if you haven't listened by now, you're not going to. Not really sure what else to say on that, it just is what it is.


You did used to have more balanced views and now you're getting extreme, it's in your language. Trying to wish Jihad on people, wanting to erase others, just kind of passively violent things, all people in non traditional relationships are the worst people on earth... I mean there's a lot of bad people and out of all of them, gay couples and anyone not in a traditional relationship are the worst of it all lmfao.

I do hope you work on your own life or get therapy. I'm not going to block you but maybe you should me if you're that bothered by what I say.

It's not me whose changed, I've always had these views and we've always talked it out fairly but I mean, you changed so I don't know what to tell you.

@SatanBurger Dude, look... you're not listening to me at all. Like, you're not even seeing what I type. I never said polyamory is a mental disorder. Why are you linking and quoting me to an article to prove it's not? I literally even said it may be natural. I said I "DIDN'T liken the two because polyamory is a mental disorder" meaing: I don't think polyamory is a mental illness, and that's not why I was saying they are similar. Again, I likened necrophilia to polyamory when you pointed out polyamory may be natural; it was an analogy to make the point that this is pointless. Polyamory is not a mental disorder. You don't listen to what I say.

Because the thing about arguing with people, is that you make... points? You know, points? The things you make when arguing with people. I'm asking what the overall point you have to make to me is.


Fucking multiple people isn't fun? And me calling their sex "fun" is gaslighting? Lol, ok. have you never had sex? It's pretty fucking fun. Or are you trying to say like "oh, but poly relationships are about more than sex" so you're taking away people's loving relationships too?" To which I say: I don't give a shit. Preserving unholy unions is not only something I don't care to do, but something I care to do away with.

I don't WANT to erase anyone, I just don't see any other option, genuinely. My rule is that I don't kill innocent people, ever. I don't wanna kill anyone, but I don't see a solution to the crisis going on other than an extreme one. There is a mental health epidemic on the youth, and the lifestyles that every study and metta anlysis shows is the best for people broadly speaking, is the most difficult arrangement to have in modern times. What non-extreme solutions do you have for it? To be honest with you, i'm not even sure I have a decent extreme solution. I don't think violence and killing people WILL work, but I also don't think non-violence works. All I can do is live a happy life, and help others do the same. That said, people who don't recognize the problem, are the problem, and I don't have to respect them. I do think that yes, if a chid grows up seeing his father emasculated, seeing his mother as a whore, then that is terrible as fuck... the fact that you can't see that makes me wonder if you have any empathy in you what so ever??? Fuck left wing and right wing shit, fuck sex positivity vs traditional values, the fact that you can't have empathy for a young boy who feels humiliated over this is fucked. You wanna literally tell those kids that their feelings are invalid, and that they should celebrate the emasculation of their father, the fact that he identifies as a chick, and the fact that his mother has two other boyfriends and a girlfriend. I don't. I wanna tell his parents that their lives should revolve around their kid.

I don't have a problem with gay couples. I have a problem with whores raising kids. When I talk about non-traditional marriages, i'm not talking about the gay world.

I grant you this. I had no idea how bad the situation was years ago. I think i was even more left wing than we first met, honestly. I'v always supported monogamy and been against promiscuity, but I always went about spreading that belief by being nice. I now see the future as so much more bleak and depressing, that there are few things I wouldn't do to fight back. I genuinely think that if I don't, pedophilia could be normalized, and the vast majority of youth will be mentally depressed.

@SatanBurger And I don't want to block you cause you're bothering me. You don't really bother me much outside of being an annoyance at time. Most of the time, I enjoy arguing, if for no other reason than because it's a fun intellectual exercise. It just seems like you never listen to what I say, or care. Even if you disagree, it's like you don't understand. Even when you understand, it's like you didn't try to understand and was just forced to concede something. I wonder if you argue for what you believe cause you actually think it's what would make the world better and more loving, or because or some bias you have? I can tell you with a straight face that while I am by no means without bias, I still believe that a society that promotes homogenous married couples with multiple children, will be better off.

@SatanBurger Also, knowing i'm gonna have a daughter radicalized me even more against polyamory. Tell me why the fuck I'd be okay with a guy saying to my daughter "I'm gonna put a lot of effort into you, but also in this other girl" instead of "I'm gonna put my all into you, and make our home the best we can do. you are the sole queen of this house and will be respected as such".

@BRUUH I know the implication of what you were saying between necrophilia being natural and what I said about polyamory being natural but it's two different things. Polyamory is based on adults consenting to relationships, necrophilia is screwing dead bodies. They're not comparable in regards to naturalism.


You have many points, you make an argument, I counter. It's how the internet works.


No. People aren't in those relationships "just for sex only," again you're trying to make it out to be something it's not by assuming people's motives and intentions. So yes it's gaslighting by the technical definition of it.


A purely religious notion.


How can you see a solution when you don't even know what the problem is?

You just assume based on pseudo Christian ideals. You assume that the answer just must be non traditional relationships are the cause of all teens being depressed somehow. It's not the rise of poverty or generational poverty, world events, the stress of working two to three jobs with both spouses as the economy gets out of control, lack of health care in the states, lack of maternity care, more demanding jobs, poor work life balance, taking away abortion and women's health rights away, more maternal death rates as the states have statistically shown.. it really can't be all that.

But no, the singular cause is LGBT+, open or poly relationships and to you, all of it would be solved if you could automagically dictate everyone's sex life.


You're genuinely wasting away your own life away.

@BRUUH
Yeah usually in open relationships kind of deal communication is key, it doesn't happen like that in real life lol.

@BRUUH For the entire half of your comment, being in a poly, open, lgbt or any other type of non traditional relationship and having/raising kids isn't wrong. You view it as immoral, it's not.


Honestly it is because of God and it does influence you more than you think. Yeah I can tell you're from the Bible belt.


Just like monogamous couples, some are in it for the sex. And? People cheat on each other more in monogamous than any other relationship, they also get divorced more. What's the divorce rate these days for monogamous people? Hmmm

There's was a study that said on average people in non traditional relationships stay together for at least eight years, it was a study around 2000 people. How long do monogamous people stay together these days? Like maybe a few years, if that.


It's not and I'd invite you to prove that teens are specifically depressed because of alternative relationships rather than other things.


https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/conditionsandtreatments/Depression-in-young-people

Most teens are already in monogamous relationships, open relationships aren't the majority.

@BRUUH Your whole argument is that children do better with solely traditional based monogamous marriages but as compared to what? Most studies done that compare monogamy with other relationships are strictly polygamous. Polygamy is related to religious institutions by which children and women don't fair well when attached solely to religious fervor, we didn't fair well back in the days of the traditional monogamous Catholic church either when they used to arrest and hang us for having miscarriages.

Alternative relationships like LGBT+ couples, polyamory or open relationships, there's never been (larger controlled group) studies done on a large scale but the studies that are there about polyamorous individuals indicate general overall happiness and a longer time that they are with their spouses. I also gave that link before of 2,000 plus people. And the studies done on LGBT couples indicate that children tend to do well the more support they have and the children in those households faired the same.

Below are 75 studies concluding that children of gay or lesbian parents fare no worse than other children:

https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-wellbeing-of-children-with-gay-or-lesbian-parents/

@BRUUH You're basically saying the studies that show monogamy vs polygamy are the same exact thing as same sex marriages vs. monogamy or open relationships vs. monogamy is wrong, particularly when polygamy is actually practiced by conservative Christian and Muslim communities and very rarely by liberal people. The studies that show monogamy and polygamy are simply not the same as same sex marriages or the various different poly/open relationships. The ONLY studies done on this involve polygamy, it's misleading to trap it all as one narrative, that's your opinion, not a fact, there's a difference. It may be a fact that polygamy could be bad under cultural context of religious ideals and a hierarchy, it may not be a fact when applying the many different facets of human relationships open or otherwise within western culture, not the Middle East or Christian enclosed compounds in the United States who practice polygamy the most.

That study you posted a picture about in the first one, I don't really get where that contradicts anything I said, it literally says towards the end that kids raised in a lesbian household did not exhibit psychiatric problems and faired the same as those raised in heteronormative ones, there's a sentence that literally says that.

Also in the second one, it did say that the kids faced peer pressure but that's anti gay people's fault and not on the gay person's fault that people don't accept them because they're gay. The study also said those kids were fiercely protective of their gay parents so it obviously shows that there's love between the families. It's not LGBT people's fault that you (not you, people like you) can't accept them, that's a "them" problem. Not anyone else. This has no bearing on the qualities someone has to raise their child and understand that if they have those good qualities to begin with, any bullying that someone does to bring trauma to a gay person's family life is on the bullies, never the couple.