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SatanBurger · 36-40, F
It's pretty complicated but no, most people wouldn't vote to ban free speech, all the 45% number means, is that it is becoming morally unacceptable to express offensive opinions. People don't want to hear about how abuse should be kept in the home for instance or all black people will rob you. I think that's all what it's leaning towards.
https://www.cato.org/survey-reports/state-free-speech-tolerance-america#overview
https://www.cato.org/survey-reports/state-free-speech-tolerance-america#overview
82% Say It’s Hard to Ban Hate Speech Because People Can’t Agree On What Speech Is Hateful or Offensive
An overwhelming majority (82%) of Americans agree that it would be difficult to ban hate speech because people can’t agree what speech is hateful and offensive. Indeed, when presented with specific statements and ideas, Americans can’t agree on what speech is hateful, offensive, or simply a political opinion:
59% of liberals say it’s hate speech to say transgender people have a mental disorder, only 17% of conservatives agree.
39% of conservatives believe it’s hate speech to say the police are racist, only 17% of liberals agree.
80% of liberals say it’s hateful or offensive to say illegal immigrants should be deported, only 36% of conservatives agree.
87% of liberals say it’s hateful or offensive to say women shouldn’t fight in military combat roles; 47% of conservatives agree.
90% of liberals say it’s hateful or offensive to say homosexuality is a sin; 47% of conservatives agree.
Black, Hispanic, and White Americans Disagree about How Free Speech Operates
African Americans and Hispanics are more likely than white Americans to believe:
Free speech does more to protect majority opinions, not minority viewpoints (59%, 49%, 34%).
Supporting someone’s right to say racist things is as bad as holding racist views yourself (65%, 61%, 34%).
People who don’t respect others don’t deserve the right of free speech (59%, 62%, 36%).
Hate speech is an act of violence (75%, 72%, 46%).
Our society can prohibit hate speech and still protect free speech (69%, 71%, 49%).
People usually have bad intentions when they express offensive opinions (70%, 75%, 52%).
An overwhelming majority (82%) of Americans agree that it would be difficult to ban hate speech because people can’t agree what speech is hateful and offensive. Indeed, when presented with specific statements and ideas, Americans can’t agree on what speech is hateful, offensive, or simply a political opinion:
59% of liberals say it’s hate speech to say transgender people have a mental disorder, only 17% of conservatives agree.
39% of conservatives believe it’s hate speech to say the police are racist, only 17% of liberals agree.
80% of liberals say it’s hateful or offensive to say illegal immigrants should be deported, only 36% of conservatives agree.
87% of liberals say it’s hateful or offensive to say women shouldn’t fight in military combat roles; 47% of conservatives agree.
90% of liberals say it’s hateful or offensive to say homosexuality is a sin; 47% of conservatives agree.
Black, Hispanic, and White Americans Disagree about How Free Speech Operates
African Americans and Hispanics are more likely than white Americans to believe:
Free speech does more to protect majority opinions, not minority viewpoints (59%, 49%, 34%).
Supporting someone’s right to say racist things is as bad as holding racist views yourself (65%, 61%, 34%).
People who don’t respect others don’t deserve the right of free speech (59%, 62%, 36%).
Hate speech is an act of violence (75%, 72%, 46%).
Our society can prohibit hate speech and still protect free speech (69%, 71%, 49%).
People usually have bad intentions when they express offensive opinions (70%, 75%, 52%).
@SatanBurger I'm having trouble finding the exact number of "45%" of youths. tho here are stats that pretty much prove it.
40% of americans (I'm sure disprportionately young) say the want the state to ban hate speech: https://www.cato.org/survey-reports/state-free-speech-tolerance-america#overview
40% of millenials cool with banning speech offensive to minorities: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2015/11/20/40-of-millennials-ok-with-limiting-speech-offensive-to-minorities/
How do your stats not make this a concerning number, and invalidate it as evidence that with the current trajectory, free speech will be in America as it is in Canada and Europe? 82% of people not agreeing with what consitutes hate speech doesn't matter at all; like, not even a bit. Like... people arguing over where a valid line to take away speech to begin with is a problem; that shouldn't be an argument in a free society. The fact that almost half of the future generation wants hate speech laws to begin with is a terrible thing. Like, imagine if I said in 1930 "a growing number of germans are anti-semitic" and you were like "well, 82% of germans don't even agree exactly on what to do with the jews. Some say we should exterimnate them, other exile them, etc. Therefore, Jews shouldn't worry" Like bruh, that's basically what you're saying about free speech.
40% of americans (I'm sure disprportionately young) say the want the state to ban hate speech: https://www.cato.org/survey-reports/state-free-speech-tolerance-america#overview
40% of millenials cool with banning speech offensive to minorities: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2015/11/20/40-of-millennials-ok-with-limiting-speech-offensive-to-minorities/
How do your stats not make this a concerning number, and invalidate it as evidence that with the current trajectory, free speech will be in America as it is in Canada and Europe? 82% of people not agreeing with what consitutes hate speech doesn't matter at all; like, not even a bit. Like... people arguing over where a valid line to take away speech to begin with is a problem; that shouldn't be an argument in a free society. The fact that almost half of the future generation wants hate speech laws to begin with is a terrible thing. Like, imagine if I said in 1930 "a growing number of germans are anti-semitic" and you were like "well, 82% of germans don't even agree exactly on what to do with the jews. Some say we should exterimnate them, other exile them, etc. Therefore, Jews shouldn't worry" Like bruh, that's basically what you're saying about free speech.