The fact theirs some people who seem to think anarchism

@Richard65 i believe so. Both as contradictory

@Richard65 also think its partly cause the right these days want to be seen as anti establishment

@Guitarman123 fair point, they see the establishment as being taken over by woke agendas and now regard themselves as patriots fighting undemocratic tyranny. It'd be laughable if it wasn't so pitiful.

@Richard65 agreed. What obviously makes it particularly laughable is that they don't actually know what woke stands for

@Richard65 The Nazis (national socialists) had universal health insurance, free college education, universal old-age pension, guaranteed full employment, government presence on corporate boards, free day care, guaranteed paid vacations, universal minimum wage, preached a vegetarian (or near vegetarian) diet, universal Gun control, and wage and price controls. How right-wing does that sound to you?

@redredred The Nazis didn't create universal health care, that was Bismarck in 1883, and when the Nazis took power in Germany they did not introduce any major new structural changes in the country's healthcare system. They did, however, ensure it came into their power and followed their fascist ideology. Health insurance was made compulsory for workers in certain industries and who earned less than a certain amount. More affluent Germans had to buy health insurance from a number of different companies. The Nazis didn't interfere with big businesses, who exploited the workforce for profit. Coca-Cola bragged that workers at the Coke plant in Essen (under the Nazis) were “little more than serfs forbidden not only to strike, but to change jobs.”

Socialism was on the agenda for nearly five decades in Germany. German fascists used the term “national socialist” simply to attract voters from the working class. Hitler took a pragmatic position on economics, accepting private property and allowing capitalist private enterprises to exist so long as they adhered to the goals of the Nazi state. Left wing nationalism (or leftist nationalism) promotes social equality, which requires the absence of legally enforced social class or caste boundaries and the absence of discrimination motivated by an inalienable part of an individual's identity. For example, advocates of social equality believe in equality before the law for all individuals regardless of sex, gender, ethnicity, age, sexual orientation, origin, caste or class, income or property, language, religion, convictions, opinions, health, or disability.
Does that sound like the Nazis to you?

@Richard65 "For example, advocates of social equality believe in equality before the law for all individuals regardless of sex, gender, ethnicity, age, sexual orientation, origin, caste or class, income or property, language, religion, convictions, opinions, health, or disability.
Does that sound like the Nazis to you?"

The claim was about the nazis being socialists, which they were, not that they were advocates for "equality".

@curiouslady93 they were as socialist as trump

@curiouslady93 socialists are advocates for equality. That's the point. You can't claim you're REALLY a socialist without advocating for equality. The Nazis weren't really socialists precisely because they DIDN'T think people were equal in any way, they used the term just to attract supporters. The Nazis enacted a mass murder policy called T4, which was a party programme of enforced euthanasia designed to exterminate sick and disabled people. That's a fascist policy, not a socialist ideal. The use of the term was a ruse used by a Nazi party that was really a fascist party at heart.

Case in point - so many Republicans on here claim the Democrats aren't really democrats, but tyrannical communists who steal elections illegally. So, by your logic, just because they call themselves Democrats, they must REALLY be democrats who uphold a fair democracy, no argument.

@Richard65 Socialism is simply the idea that there should be a centralised economy controlled by a state. Not wanting to harm disabled people etc is not synonymous with socialism.

@curiouslady93 you're cherry picking elements that suit your view. Common themes among fascist movements include: authoritarianism, nationalism (including racial nationalism and religious nationalism), hierarchy and elitism, and militarism. Other aspects of fascism such as perception of decadence, anti-egalitarianism and totalitarianism can be seen to originate from these ideas. Does that sound like the Nazis to you? Yes, it does. The Nazis were fascists. You're denying practically every historian who's ever studied the subject, written books or made films about them. Stop sucking up GOP propaganda.

@curiouslady93 socialism advocates for workers owning the means of production instead of a private owner and increase in public service's

@Guitarman123 So what happens to "workers" who have a business on the side?

@Richard65 Cherry picking elements? That's literally what socialism is. If you are going to deny the fundamental definition and bring up other stuff, then you are the one cherry picking.

@curiouslady93 worker's are those who labour in order to make a living. Most can't afford a business on the side

@curiouslady93 socialism isnt the government doing stuff

@Guitarman123 Of course they can.

@curiouslady93 they really cant. Theirs labourers who have to rely on food banks because their wages stays stagnant while cost of living goes up.the workers who do attempt to start a business are taking huge risks because their resources are incredibly limited

@Guitarman123 How? I know someone who was left with just £200 welfare a month, no support from family, disabled. Ended up building some massive businesses from the ground up.

@curiouslady93 suuuree. Cute little "Individualist" fairytale. Most new businesses fail within the first five years. With price's on the rise most people are lucky to make £200 pound last till next payday.

@curiouslady93 so every professional historian who understands the Nazis were fascists is wrong because you don't agree with them? Is that your position? Historians who have travelled to Germany, Russia, France, the UK, who've trawled through vast archives, looked at official documents, interviewed people who worked for the Nazis or who were victims of them. ALL of these professional historians and academics who confirm without doubt that the Nazis were right wing fascists - and YOU disagree with them simply from the comfort of your armchair? Now do you see how ridiculous you are? Can you see how ludicrous it is to take the most despicable, infamous right wing fascists in human history and desperately attempt to describe them as left wing socialists? You're pitiful and I'm embarrassed that you'd even write that on a public forum and make such an idiot of yourself.

@redredred you're closer to socialist than the nazis. Their policies were as anti socialism as can possibly be. Hitler even targeted communists before jews

@Guitarman123 Perhaps you’re simply ignorant of what the word socialism means. When I earned my masters in economics, it was taught that socialism is a economy where all capital goods ( agricultural land, forests, factories, docks, mines, processing plants etc) are owned/managed by the government. Personal property can be owned by citizens. That’s it. Nothing more complicated than that. The Nazis practiced a form of socialism with a corporatist flavor, instead of outright ownership the nazi government exerted near complete control of corporations like Krupp.

Herbert Marcuse, a noted socialist, after WWII did all he could to try to distance naziism from socialism but the facts speak for themselves.