Remember when Israel bombed USS Liberty?

@Bumbles nope, intentional.

@trollslayer Uh huh.

@Bumbles idf admits as such. They intentionally targeted those vans. They just claim they thought they were someone else. Strange they would make that mistake three separate times with vans clearly marked with the name and logo of a well known aid agency, the same one that helped your own people after Oct 7th. At this point, a “mistake” makes you look grossly incompetent, and probably worse than had it been intentional.

@Bumbles You don't end up with a 95% civilian kill rate by accident.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow exactly. The “urban warfare” excuse only goes so far.

@Bumbles well, its very clear they didnt try not to kill those people. And that carelessness draws into question all other previous incidents, and does not excuse the crime.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow I think he’s trying quite hard, actually. He might condition some sales. In an election year he’s right to proceed with caution.

@trollslayer War is nasty business, to be sure.

@Bumbles And genocide is not war. Lets stop making excuses for war criminals.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow The President has a lot of history to contend with and changing course is significant and will take time. His slow and steady approach is the right one here as there is a large ship that needs to be slowed, first. The Israelis themselves need to remove Netanyahu, and Biden and Schumer's approach to this, by making the US position known, is the correct signal to Israelis themselves.

@trollslayer Yes, they certainly do.

@Bumbles If you don't believe me Reagan ended the Israeli invasion of Lebanon with a single phone call.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow His efforts seem to be working. Israel is an important US ally, and maintaining a positive relationship with them is the best way to increase humanitarian aid.