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Ocasio-Cortez won't call Gaza war a genocide, another lying politician

Lawmaker Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was recently followed and filmed by a group of protesters while out with her fiance. These protesters were demanding that she call Israel's intervention in Gaza a "genocide", to which she said she has, when she has not.

In January, Cortez avoided calling it a genocide by saying the empty, meaningless words: "I am appalled at the violence and the indiscriminate loss of life", and on the question of genocide:
"they’re still determining it. But in the interim ruling, the fact that they said there’s a responsibility to prevent it, the fact that this word is even in play, the fact that this word is even in our discourse, I think, demonstrates the mass inhumanity that Gazans are facing."

What about the fact that she can't, or won't, say it? The fact that she is only alluding to what other people think? The fact that she is still determining what would be wise to say. The fact, the fact...

This woman isn't an activist, she is a politician. She is thinking about her future, and to do that she must be a moderate, and she must have the support of democratic elites, and any Jews who donate money or help with future campaigns.

If she isn't pretending to care about a cause through misguided and insincere attempts at "speaking out" or "advocating", she is playing the politician and putting her career before anything else. Why would anyone care for her, or any other politician? All they do is think about what they say, who their audience is, and what will happen to them as they reach for power.

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ElwoodBlues · M

@badlands says [quote] Covid vaccines have the potential to do harm, and each person had to decide whether it was worth the risk, or if they needed it. They need to know what the risks are, and whether it is necessary.[/quote]

YOU are the one being misleading, because you're not providing the risks of vaccine vs Covid. Here are the stats, and they prove the vaccine is FAR safer than facing Covid unprotected.

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The vaccine harmed very very few. The UK registered 59 deaths caused by vaccine from 2020-22 (last year's stats will be ready later in Feb); however they mostly used AstraZeneca.
[b]https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsduetocovid19covid19vaccineinjuryandexcessdeathsbyvaccinationstatus[/b]

In the US, the only identified risk of the mRNA vaccines was a slight uptick in myocarditiis.
[quote]The association between COVID-19 vaccination and increased incidences of cardiac-related disorders such as myocarditis has been described by several studies.12,28,29 Goddard et al.30 conducted a large study evaluating the incidence of cardiac side effects of the vaccine among 7 million people in the United States. They reported an incidence of 320 cases 1–98 days after approximately 7 million vaccine doses.30[/quote]
[b]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10402862/[/b]

320 cases in 7 million patients. That's 0.0046% And the myocarditis clears up over time. Odds of DEATH among the unprotected is 0.5%; odds of long covid are 5X higher. That's about 500 to 1 for the math challenged.

Any sane analysis would tell these people who contracted myocarditis that their odds of avoiding severe complications are FAR FAR better (500 to 1) with the vaccine vs facing the virus unprotected.

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sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M

@ElwoodBlues One death is a tragedy. A million deaths is a statistic

ElwoodBlues · M

@sunsporter1649 I guess it makes sense that the biggest Trump cult member on SW is also a Stalin fan😂🤣😂🤣

sree251 · 41-45, M

@ElwoodBlues You said: "YOU are the one being misleading, because you're not providing the risks of vaccine vs Covid. Here are the stats, and they prove the vaccine is FAR safer than facing Covid unprotected."

Forget the stats, I have proof.

My neighbor's wife who for many years had been taking walks with a walker up and down the sidewalk by her house is now bedridden on account of a stroke right after her Covid vaccination.

My mechanic who took care of my car was a fit 30 year old black guy. He had the Covid vaccination. He died. When I turned up at the workshop and asked for him, they told me: "Leo passed away. He didn't feel well and went to the hospital. Never came back." I asked what happened, and they shook their heads. Nobody knew.

ElwoodBlues · M

@sree251 When I was in school, I was taught that the plural of 'anecdote' is NOT 'data.'

I have posted data that supports my position. Given better data, I will update my position. You only have cherry-picked anecdotes, with the dates and timing details conveniently removed. Let us know when you have data.

sree251 · 41-45, M

@ElwoodBlues You said: "I have posted data that supports my position."

What position is that? We are a bunch of crazies here. Get real. I keep thinking that I am talking to a cat wearing a white shirt.

ElwoodBlues · M

@sree251 Read the one that begins with a quote from badlands saying [quote]I say "related" because the cause of death, in some cases, was being attributed to covid when it was not.[/quote]

The data cited there is all the death certificates issued in the US for six years. THAT is what real data looks like; not a pair of anecdotes, [b]LOL!!![/b]

sree251 · 41-45, M

@ElwoodBlues You said: "The data cited there is all the death certificates issued in the US for six years."

I quit my career ten years ago and went sailing. I stopped reading technical literature, engineering blueprints, and business reports ever since. My mind goes blank now when I try to focus on words even on a box of milk to make sure it's not low fat. I am here to relax, Elwood.

sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M

@ElwoodBlues Yes, we know, anyone with stage four lung cancer and a bullet trhu the heart, with the kung flu in their system, automatically is issued a kung flu cause of death, like those millions of people that were murdered by the nazis you adore died of heart failure

ElwoodBlues · M

@sree251 You asked me to write something, and now you declare you don't read what people write. Good to know, [b]LOL!!![/b]

@sunsporter1649 The answer to your question is in my post under this question that begins with a quote from badlands saying
[quote]I say "related" because the cause of death, in some cases, was being attributed to covid when it was not.[/quote]

I know you're barely literate and can't deal with numbers or follow links, but the response to your objection, based on all death certificates in the US for six years, is there. I know I've shown you the data multiple times; I know you've never even attempted to understand it, but it's all there.

badlands · 22-25, F

@ElwoodBlues The vaccine came with extensive media hype and government pressure. Do we trust any publications when they say the vaccine deaths are negligible? They wanted everyone to be vaccinated, and they aren't honest. Lying, manipulation, and covering up is what they do. Since it was introduced, all the authorities and vaccine fanatics could do was dismiss vaccine related illness and deaths and pretend it was not happening. When they did acknowledge that it happened, they said it was too minor for them to care about. In some instances, they did take measures, including discontinuing the AstraZeneca vaccine due to illness and death from its use. It was quietly done.

Myocarditis is one of several conditions associated with the vaccine. Others are autoimmune disorders and blood clotting disorders.

Can you tell me why you would care about illness after being infected with the virus, but not illness after receiving the vaccine?

ElwoodBlues · M

@badlands Translation: you still have no facts or stats, just conspiracy theories. SAD!!

sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M

@ElwoodBlues Like the conspiracy theories that say getting the stab dozens of times is good for mankind and will save the world?

ElwoodBlues · M

@badlands [quote]Can you tell me why you would care about illness after being infected with the virus, but not illness after receiving the vaccine?[/quote] Words I never said.

What I did say is that Long Covid is 500X more likely than myocarditis. AND, therefore, any sane analysis would tell these people who contracted myocarditis that their odds of avoiding severe complications are FAR FAR better (500 to 1) with the vaccine vs facing the virus unprotected.

Really · 80-89, M

@sree251 My father died on a Thursday afternoon. What are the chances of that? Can't be just a coincidence!

(Hint; sarcasm)

ElwoodBlues · M

@Really I'm sorry for your loss; thank you for making that point.

My father died on the day before the solstice. There are only TWO days before solstices per year. What are the chances of that? Can't be just a coincidence!

sree251 · 41-45, M

@ElwoodBlues You said: "Any sane analysis would tell these people who contracted myocarditis that their odds of avoiding severe complications are FAR FAR better (500 to 1) with the vaccine vs facing the virus unprotected."

You rely on data when the probability of your own life is at stake? Would you jump off a cliff if you were told that your chance of getting killed is 1 in 500 jumps? What is the probability of not contracting myocarditis if I don't take the vaccine. Zero! I would rather avoid the vaccine and risk mild symptoms of the common flu. As a matter of fact, I went through the whole pandemic without a sneeze.

ElwoodBlues · M

@sree251 This is your way of telling us you are unable to reason probabilistically. Yeah, I can see why you had to drop out of engineering.

sree251 · 41-45, M

@ElwoodBlues Hey, look. Covid is a flu virus. It's kill rate among the healthy is zero; and if you are not healthy and fit, you ought to go.

badlands · 22-25, F

@ElwoodBlues Do you know what's probable? You will have only mild symptoms and will survive covid without serious illness or the need to be hospitalized, and that is without the vaccine.

You worship the data, but what data is it? What is it supposed to say? It says nothing. Your body holds data, and that says more. Covid is a respiratory virus, which we always knew only hospitalized the sick, the obese, and the elderly. The "data" was there from the beginning to say it was a mild illness for the young and healthy, and sometimes the old. A 117-year-old nun from France, who was unvaccinated, had covid and survived it. More old people have survived than not. Maybe Americans need to think more about the way they live?

Your thinking is old now. There is no data supporting the position that all or most of us should be vaccinated. Why do you think they are no longer pushing the booster program? CDC recommends them this spring for "older adults and people at risk of severe complications." Where is the recommendation for people my age who are healthy? Vaccine has worn off again, so they need their shot!

badlands · 22-25, F

@ElwoodBlues sree251 makes a very good point. Why risk the myocarditis when he is likely to have only mild symptoms?

Have you had covid? I know many who had it before the vaccine, and almost all survived. I didn't see many sick or ill covid patients, but there were a lot of patients who were being denied treatment for other conditions because of covid. The people in charge care more about risk aversion than saving lives.

ElwoodBlues · M

@badlands Why? Because, as the numbers clearly demonstrate, the risk of Long Covid was far greater than the risk of mild myocarditis. The risk ratio was 500:1.

[quote]Your thinking is old now.[/quote] In 2021, mRNA vaccines were the smart choice, and the data proves it. Thanks mostly to the vaccines, population resistance to Covid has increased, and it has evolved to a much more mild form. However, mRNA vaccines were the smart choice in 2021, especially during the Delta wave.

[quote]You worship the data, but what data is it? What is it supposed to say? It says nothing. [/quote]
Evidence? Oh, right, you don't do evidence. You gather anecdotes from twitter and facebook and, if they support your preconceptions you treat them as gospel, [b]LOL!!![/b]

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sree251 · 41-45, M

@ElwoodBlues You said: "What I did say is that Long Covid is 500X more likely than myocarditis. AND, therefore, any sane analysis would tell these people who contracted myocarditis that their odds of avoiding severe complications are FAR FAR better (500 to 1) with the vaccine vs facing the virus unprotected."

Can we assume that you have been faithfully jabbed against Covid? How many times? Are you fat?

ElwoodBlues · M

@sree251 [quote] I have not seen them either but [/quote]
That's as far I needed to read, [b]LOL!!![/b]

sree251 · 41-45, M

@ElwoodBlues You said: "Thanks mostly to the vaccines, population resistance to Covid has increased, and it has evolved to a much more mild form."

Is this your belief or is it a conclusion of a published medical report? Can you cite the publication? For your sake, I pledge to read it and revert with my comments for a discussion.

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