No state solution: Would dissolution of Israel bring peace?

This suggestion is prompted by John Lennon's song "Imagine" about a world with no countries. To be precise, a world with no nation states. Americans ought to take the lead and initiate the dissolution of the USA in the same fashion as the ending of the Soviet Union.

People, of various different cultures, have been living naturally together among each other until their subjugation by divisive ideological power groups through the formation of governments. Power groupings are divisive.

Governments are corporations run by elites to control citizens for the achievement of nefarious agendas. Business enterprises are also corporations run by elites to gain profit at the expense of workers and minority shareholders.

Humanity are people. Governments are not, and they possess people the way the mind, when driven by rage, possess the body and commit it to kill other human bodies.

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ArishMell · 70-79, M

Only thing is.....

The end of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics did not lead to the end of the nation that is Russia - and it was not long before that nation's fragile, fledgling democracy as the Russian Federation became a new tyranny run by a former KGB officer.

Same nation state (tautology if ever there was), but run by different people.

Of course governments are people! What counts are the natures, abilities and aims of those people - whether they are humane or not.

If the USA were to be dissolved, what would it fragment into? It's not exactly all sweetness and light now (is any country?) but I cannot imagine what sort of shambles, power-vacua, poverty and internecine fighting would result among the ruins of the former single nation called the United States of America. You can't have a nation of any size without some sort of administrative leadership.

whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M

@ArishMell I would contend that the United States has in fact dissolved already. They simply have not made it official yet. The two extremes are in a tug of War for leadership and paralysing the whole nation..😷

ArishMell · 70-79, M

@whowasthatmaskedman Yes... reading some of the arguing on SW, often descending into shallow insult-trading, it certainly looks that way although as a foreigner, despite being able to be happily neutral it's not easy to know the real situation.

I would have thought most Americans simply want a fully-functioning, decent country, whichever Party they support or is in power; but with basically only two political parties what they can do if neither satisfies them? Abstaining helps no-one, but are there other parties in the fray?

The one thing you can all hope for is that the country stays politically bigger than any individual politician; and I think it will.

whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M

@ArishMell I agree, but fail to understand how in a country which has so many good people, none of them are in the leadership on either side. In fact is seems to attract the opposite..But to your point as an outsider, I sincerely believe we get a far more accurate and detailed picture of US events within the world and at home than many Americans do. The quality of media news and current events there is awful, leaving them at the mercy of the internet.. "'nuff said?"😷

sree251 · 41-45, M

@whowasthatmaskedman Things don't look any better in the UK.

ArishMell · 70-79, M

@whowasthatmaskedman I've often wondered about that choice of candidates, but it does need good people to volunteer to be candidates. The more sour the arguing, the more likely such people are to avoid entering politics.

whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M

@sree251 Sorry to hear that. I have family there.😷

ArishMell · 70-79, M

@sree251 Oh, I think they are. It may not look it but the bad 'uns don't generally last long in the game.

Also, however excitable the discussions, on the whole the politicians, campaigners and most of their supports do just about avoid drifting off policies and political abilities to descend into mere personal insults.

A lot of that may thanks to very strict rules of conduct within the Houses of Parliament, and to the fact that if one or another commits some wrong it is not long before they are found out and dealt with.

sree251 · 41-45, M

@ArishMell You said: "Oh, I think they are. It may not look it but the bad 'uns don't generally last long in the game. "

I give you that. We Americans are absolutely classless.