No state solution: Would dissolution of Israel bring peace?

This suggestion is prompted by John Lennon's song "Imagine" about a world with no countries. To be precise, a world with no nation states. Americans ought to take the lead and initiate the dissolution of the USA in the same fashion as the ending of the Soviet Union.

People, of various different cultures, have been living naturally together among each other until their subjugation by divisive ideological power groups through the formation of governments. Power groupings are divisive.

Governments are corporations run by elites to control citizens for the achievement of nefarious agendas. Business enterprises are also corporations run by elites to gain profit at the expense of workers and minority shareholders.

Humanity are people. Governments are not, and they possess people the way the mind, when driven by rage, possess the body and commit it to kill other human bodies.

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Puppycat23 · F

I doubt it. Dissolution Israel would push all Israelis out by force, many would be killed since Hamas and other Islamic jihad groups want them all dead. Plus I believe people have this false sense of hope that if Israel is gone Palestinians will finally have peace. Ignoring the fact that Hamas will still be present treating Palestinians poorly.

helenS · 36-40, F

@Puppycat23 The result would be, after holocaust #2, an endless civil war between Islamist factions.

sree251 · 41-45, M

@Puppycat23 You said: "I doubt it. Dissolution Israel would push all Israelis out by force, many would be killed since Hamas and other Islamic jihad groups want them all dead. Plus I believe people have this false sense of hope that if Israel is gone Palestinians will finally have peace. Ignoring the fact that Hamas will still be present treating Palestinians poorly."

Dissolution of Israel is the ending of desire for the illusion of a secure homeland. This ending frees us all from the karma of a Jew, a hated human being with no place of his own.

Even today, Jews are fleeing Israel and have been emigrating to safer places to re-settle. No sane Jewish parent would want to raise a family in Israel.

Puppycat23 · F

@sree251

This ending frees us all from the karma of a Jew, a hated human being with no place of his own.

Israel is a place and for many it’s their home. And not everyone can get up and move to another country. So yes dissolution or termination would push all Israelis out by force.

sree251 · 41-45, M

@Puppycat23 You said: "Israel is a place and for many it’s their home. And not everyone can get up and move to another country. So yes dissolution or termination would push all Israelis out by force."

You are not communicating with me at the same frequency. Being a Jew is a state of "isness", a quality of factual existence that is vulnerable to bullets and bombs. Granted, being a Jew is not a matter of choice. It is a karma of pain.

Puppycat23 · F

@sree251

You are not communicating with me at the same frequency.

Why should I? You don’t make sense anyway. I’m not going to agree with someone who believes being a Jew is karma. Bet you won’t say that to someone who’s actually Jewish.

sree251 · 41-45, M

@Puppycat23 You said: "Why should I? You don’t make sense anyway. I’m not going to agree with someone who believes being a Jew is karma. Bet you won’t say that to someone who’s actually Jewish."

I would say that to anyone who is a human being. Being a Jew has consequences. Being an Arab also has consequences. And all those respective consequences are bad. Even being you is not a cakewalk.

Puppycat23 · F

@sree251 That has nothing to do with Karma though. That’s just hatred against someone for being different. I’m not a cakewalk but I also know it’s not my fault nor is it some type of karma that some people hate me because of my race.

sree251 · 41-45, M

@Puppycat23 You don't have a race, Puppy. You just have a human body that is vulnerable to bombs and bullets unleashed through the venting of your hatred. Nothing personal.

LeopoldBloom · M

@sree251 @Puppycat23 Any suggestion involving a dissolution of Israel is beyond idiotic and shouldn't be entertained. Let's start by "dissolving" every country in the world at the same time. One, two, three...

sree251 · 41-45, M

@LeopoldBloom You said: "Any suggestion involving a dissolution of Israel is beyond idiotic..."

The British concept of Israel was forged behind the scenes and paid for with hard cash. The determination to keep this deal enforced has been going on for 75 years. The resistance to it has not abated and the willingness to spill human blood by those who don't have the money to scuttle the corrupt deal is a test of will. The samurai has a saying: "He who is afraid of death lives a dog's life." Apparently, there are no dogs outside the walls protecting Israel.

LeopoldBloom · M

@sree251 Israel is doing fine protecting itself, along with US military aid. But despite the overt hostility being expressed around the world right now, not one country is sending soldiers to help Hamas, not even their fellow Palestinians in the West Bank. Everyone is satisfied with complaints and condemnation, but nothing beyond that.

The "British concept of Israel" included a Jewish state (as outlined in the Peel Commission report) along with restricting immigration to keep the Arabs from siding with your friends in Nazi Germany. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was an ally of Hitler and claimed to have given him the idea for the Holocaust (or as you think of it, kindly Germans placing Jews in resorts to keep them safe). After WWII, the British washed their hands of the Mandate and let the UN partition it. The Palestinians refused to participate in any talks toward self-determination, as their core demand - that Jews have no rights whatsoever in any newly-created country - was unacceptable.

sree251 · 41-45, M

@LeopoldBloom You said: "Israel is doing fine protecting itself, along with US military aid."

Protection from what? The entire territory is toxic and infected with human misery. Right now, the pus is flowing from open wounds. You may be well-armed and dwell within an iron dome. What kind of an existence is that?

LeopoldBloom · M

@sree251 There's nothing stopping them from leaving if they don't like it. You'll never understand because you have zero connection to the land you live on. You're completely deracinated and could live anywhere.

You are correct, however, that the entire Middle East is dominated by violent, theocratic regimes. If Israel wasn't armed to the teeth, it would have disappeared by now.

sree251 · 41-45, M

@LeopoldBloom You said: "If Israel wasn't armed to the teeth, it would have disappeared by now."

Every nation is armed to the teeth. Is this a sane way to live?

LeopoldBloom · M

@sree251 Of course not. So why don't you lead the way and work to just disarm the country you live in.

sree251 · 41-45, M

@LeopoldBloom You said: "Of course not. So why don't you lead the way and work to just disarm the country you live in."

I lead the way? "I" don't exist. Like the nation state or a business corporation, I am an idea. Israel is also an idea. Disarming a country is similar to the dissolution of a nation state. It can happen and will happen when the conditions for divisiveness and militarism no longer exist.

LeopoldBloom · M

@sree251 Just play John Lennon's "Imagine" over and over.
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sree251 · 41-45, M

@LeopoldBloom You said: "Just play John Lennon's "Imagine" over and over."

I am not a dreamer. I am an observer. Israel is a willful product of the evil mind. No other nation was created this way. Israel is like a fetus conceived and incubated in a laboratory. Its birth and implantation in the Middle East was like the emergence of a body part alien to the human body.

Other nations are not natural also. This is why they are also causes of human conflict. However, no other nation was devised as a protection of a few against mankind.

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