No state solution: Would dissolution of Israel bring peace?

This suggestion is prompted by John Lennon's song "Imagine" about a world with no countries. To be precise, a world with no nation states. Americans ought to take the lead and initiate the dissolution of the USA in the same fashion as the ending of the Soviet Union.

People, of various different cultures, have been living naturally together among each other until their subjugation by divisive ideological power groups through the formation of governments. Power groupings are divisive.

Governments are corporations run by elites to control citizens for the achievement of nefarious agendas. Business enterprises are also corporations run by elites to gain profit at the expense of workers and minority shareholders.

Humanity are people. Governments are not, and they possess people the way the mind, when driven by rage, possess the body and commit it to kill other human bodies.

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LeopoldBloom · M

What’s your plan for accomplishing that? Let’s start with Russia, China, and Saudi Arabia.

trollslayer · 46-50, M

@LeopoldBloom Iran.

sree251 · 41-45, M

@LeopoldBloom You said: "What’s your plan for accomplishing that? Let’s start with Russia, China, and Saudi Arabia."

Yes, that's the plan. The sooner we see ourselves as humanity, the sooner we live together in harmony. I don't think the Chinese would care. They would love to spread all over the world like the Jews do. I travel a lot and hate getting through immigration. The only place where the bastards don't look you up and down before waving you through is Hong Kong.

LeopoldBloom · M

@sree251 Write to President Xi and suggest to him that China dissolve its government and Chinese people spread out over the rest of the world.

sree251 · 41-45, M

@LeopoldBloom China is already doing it with the belt and road initiative. Her economy is technologically driven and that is the only ideology of China's future for providing food, clothing, and shelter for the human race.

trollslayer · 46-50, M

@sree251 mmm. Chinese food.

sree251 · 41-45, M

@trollslayer Unlike westerners, the Chinese are not ideologues and can make any product - including Michelin star quality cuisine of every culture - to your specs.

LeopoldBloom · M

@sree251 While bulldozing anyone that stands in their way, like the Uyghurs, and basically colonizing Africa while not tolerating the slightest dissent back home. China's birth rate is dropping, and it will be interesting to see how long they can maintain their society with what amounts to slave labor.

sree251 · 41-45, M

@LeopoldBloom You said: "While bulldozing anyone that stands in their way, like the Uyghurs, and basically colonizing Africa while not tolerating the slightest dissent back home. China's birth rate is dropping, and it will be interesting to see how long they can maintain their society with what amounts to slave labor."

Why are you reciting this US State Department mantra about China? Dissent of the American kind is viewed as a social disease by people (including American expats) in China. There is no dissent in China. Everything works like a well designed machine. No public altercations. It is a civilized society. There are no police there. No mass shootings. What you call slave labor is hardworking ethic, the kind that make goods at low cost for the American market.

LeopoldBloom · M

@sree251 There is no dissent in China because dissent is not tolerated. Lack of dissent is the sign of an authoritarian country, not a "well-designed machine." A free country tolerates dissent. You don't hear any dissent in religious cults, either.

If you prefer to live as a slave, you're free to emigrate there or to any other dictatorship.

It doesn't surprise me that a Nazi like you would prefer an authoritarian society where dissent is brutally crushed. There was no dissent in Nazi Germany, either.

sree251 · 41-45, M

@LeopoldBloom You said: "It doesn't surprise me that a Nazi like you would prefer an authoritarian society where dissent is brutally crushed. There was no dissent in Nazi Germany, either."

What you consider as dissent, I regard it as flaw in the system. Well run societies are properly designed systems that serve the needs of the people. No hiccups. Germans are good at what they do. They are hardworking, like the Chinese. No wonder Germany is the economic powerhouse in Europe. We have bases in Germany to prevent the Germans from rising from the ashes of WW2. This is why their gas supply from Russia was scuttled.

Dissent is a means for destabilizing society. We tried that in Hong Kong. Our playbook for undermining foreign governments was ineffective against China. Our attempts to do that in Taiwan will not work.

LeopoldBloom · M

@sree251 Nonsense. Human beings aren't insects. A "well-run society" includes a certain degree of dissent. This is why freedom of speech is important. People need to be able to exchange ideas without fear of government reprisal. All societies face changing conditions and the free exchange of ideas is the best way to find strategies to respond to them.

There is no tolerance of dissent in North Korea, and I wouldn't call that a thriving society. China is also authoritarian, and for the time being, they're keeping the population placated by giving them a rising standard of living.

By "tolerance of dissent," I don't mean allowing people to freely make plans to overthrow the government, which is what you seem to equate with destabilization. Free speech doesn't mean you can openly make plans to murder people without consequences.

sree251 · 41-45, M

@LeopoldBloom You said: ""Nonsense. Human beings aren't insects."

Gaza is being fumigated like a piece of property infested by vermin. 21,000 bugs killed so far.

sree251 · 41-45, M

@LeopoldBloom You said: "This is why freedom of speech is important. People need to be able to exchange ideas without fear of government reprisal."

Tell that to Donald Trump and his fellow Americans intent on getting back their freedom of speech this November.

sree251 · 41-45, M

@LeopoldBloom You said: "Free speech doesn't mean you can openly make plans to murder people without consequences."

This is exactly what is happening when nations exercise their freedom to kill without facing consequences. We have just announced the killing of some people in small boats in the Red Sea. No independent witness to the murders.

LeopoldBloom · M

@sree251 Civil rights are normally thought to apply to individuals, not nations. You yourself said countries don't have rights, only people do.

Regarding US actions in the Red Sea, it depends whether you think those "small boats" were menacing shipping or not. FAAFO.

sree251 · 41-45, M

@LeopoldBloom You said: "Regarding US actions in the Red Sea, it depends whether you think those "small boats" were menacing shipping or not."

Since when do we have the right to kill a menace? Those 21,000 killed in Gaza were not even menacing. They were punching bags.