Pro-Palestine protesters being their antisemitic selves ✨

@Pfuzylogic I find it much more outrageous when Israel says it's defending itself while they're the ones invading Palestina for decades and oppressing the original population. But when there's the occasional fight back, they're the victim? Nah, it doesn't work like that.

@Pfuzylogic Their anti-Semitism is the essence of their "solidarity with Palestine".
As an example, "from the river to the sea" is just a code phrase for the next holocaust.

@helenS there is a big and important difference between antisemitism and anti-Zionism.

@NerdyPotato Anti-semitism today disguises itself as anti-Zionism. That will make it look much more progressive, and the Jew-haters can attack the only democracy in the Middle East with a quiet conscience.

There's a small minority of Palestinians who happen to be gay; they try to escape to Israel so they won't be castrated and thrown from a roof-top by the holy warriors who defend Islam against immorality – and it's always nice to see "Queers for Palestine" protesters in European cities.

@helenS there is certainly overlap between antisemitism and anti-Zionism, but to call all anti-Zionism antisemitism is just propaganda.

@helenS @NerdyPotato
[i]https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2023/12/14/hamas-terror-plot-foiled-in-europe[/i]
This just happened yesterday with Hamas and other terrorist groups planning to attack the Jewish community and commit horrific acts, such as burning people to provoke the Jewish community

@Pfuzylogic we all know Hamas isn't peaceful either. That doesn't excuse oppression and genocide of everyone sharing a piece a land with them though.

@NerdyPotato Israel [u]withdraw[/u] from Gaza in autumn 2005, under Ariel Sharon. Gaza [b]is[/b] the two-state-solution, and that worked out quite nicely didn't it.
A few months after the withdrawal, Hamas was in power (after a short civil war between Islamist factions, and after 60% of the Gaza population voted for Hamas) and the assassins started sending rockets to Israel to kill as many Jews as possible; and flaming kite flown over the Gaza border to destroy agricultural sites in Israel.

Greenhouses and other agricultural sites left by the Jews in Gaza were systematically destroyed. Hey why working when you are fed by the EU and UNRWA? UNRWA finances Palestinian school books in which Jews are presented as the descendants of apes and pigs.

Water pipes delivered to Gaza by the EU (to install a water supply system) were used to build rockets – [u]Israel[/u] provides them with water (how genocidal is that!).

Cement given to them by EU (to repair houses etc.) was used to build tunnels which lead to Israel, to facilitate pogroms.

@helenS Israel cut Gaza off from the rest of the world and kept expanding into West Bank. They've been literally driving Palestinians out of their own homes in times of "peace". The attacks from Hamas aren't right, but not unprovoked either. When Hamas respected the peace treaty, Israel continued creating illegal settlements, until Hamas had enough.

@NerdyPotato [quote]Israel cut Gaza off from the rest of the world...[/quote]
... when Gaza started attacking Israel with rockets some months after the IDF left, they closed the borders, yes, that's true. [u]You[/u] wouldn't do the same, of course, you would happily accept your loved ones being killed by attacks from another country.
Israel did not close the borders between Gaza and Egypt, by the way.

@helenS and what's your opinion on Israel's illegal settlements, hostages and bombing of civilians in areas where Hamas isn't present? Again, I'm not defending Hamas, I'm only saying Israel isn't the good guy either.

@NerdyPotato [quote]what's your opinion on Israel's illegal settlements[/quote]
I have to admit that's a tough question.
Here's a [u]tentative[/u] (!) answer: if those illegal settlements were removed, it would be seen as a sign of weakness, as an important step towards total victory (= destruction of Israel and killing all Jews), and would lead to another wave of violence against Jews. I think that's the most likely outcome, because, look what happened when Israel removed the settlements in Gaza.

@helenS giving those up may indeed not be a solution. But stopping the expansion may be a start.

@NerdyPotato I’m sorry, did you just call the Palestinians the [i]original[/i] population? Because I have news for you…

@Zeuro Perhaps it's a good idea to generally put the word "Palestinians" in quotation marks. Also "refugees".

@Zeuro well, the ones who lived there when the country was created and before they were driven out by Israelis.

@NerdyPotato There are [b]2.1 million Arab citizens[/b] in Israel; some Arab women are even professors, figure that out! Blasphemy!
Now where do those Arabs come from? I thought they were driven out by Israelis?

@helenS oh wow, some still remain so far? I stand corrected about many more having been driven out of their own home then. 🙄

@NerdyPotato About [b]600,000 Arabs [/b]left in 1948; most of them persuaded by their Arab leaders that they can return when the problem is solved and the Jews are dead (some Arabs were driven out, it's true; there was even a massacre at a town called Deir Yassin with about 100 Arabs killed by Zionists - genocide!).
Somehow that return after the killing of all Jews didn't work out as expected, I don't know exactly what went wrong though.
The above-mentioned 2,100,000 Arabs in Israel are simply the descendants of those who did [u]not[/u] leave; they enjoy full citizenship in a democratic country. Traitors! Traitors! They must all die!

@helenS wow... Supporting genocide doesn't get more open than that...

@NerdyPotato Irony isn't your strongest point, right?
Those 5.2 million "Palestinian refugees" are, of course, the descendants of those 600,000 Arabs who left Israel in 1948 and who were never granted citizenship in any Arab country – those countries (such as Syria) needed "refugee" material.
All refugees are equal, but some are more equal than others. As a "Palestinian refugee" today, you can even [u]adopt[/u] a bunch of children, and those children will be "refugees" too. The United Nations have a special organization only for those "refugees", it's called UNRWA. UNRWA is one of Hamas' most important sources of income, apart from Iran and EU.

@helenS you might have been reading up all the wrong literature. There is a lot of one sided propaganda available in some select nations.
Try this book when you get time.

@WandererTony thank you, I'll try to find a review. The title pictures looks like it's about playing the victim.
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--- the other thread where I said "Hamas [b]is[/b] Gaza" (and I really think it's not possible to distinguish one from the other) is blocked, and no further entries are possible. This is why I would like to ask you here: please name some anti-Hamas protests [u]inside[/u] Gaza during the past 5 years, and at least one anti-Hamas protest after the October 7 pogrom, to help me change my mind.

@helenS if one is fed on Nazi literature, the cover of any book on the holocaust could seem like playing victim, right? Let’s not have prejudice. Just read both sides of the story.

And knowing that Hamas is brutal and does not value life, how can you expect the rest to protest in public with placards? Have you seen afghans or Pakistan protest against Taliban? So why didn’t US bomb Pakistan? In fact after spending millions to erase Taliban, and killing thousands of non Taliban afghans, they handed over Afganistan to Taliban and returned home. Look there and you will find your answers.

Palestine is not Paris. It’s a disturbed land. Your logic is from another planet named Europe. 😊🙏

@WandererTony [quote]Hamas is brutal and does not value life, how can you expect the rest to protest in public with placards?[/quote]
The Islamist government of Iran ist brutal and does not value life either, but there are waves and waves of protests. These protests indicate that the Iranian population is not the same as the Mullahs who terrorize them.
It's possible in Iran, why not in Gaza? ==> Answer: people in Gaza do not protest against Hamas [i]because they support Hamas[/i]. Hamas is just the executive committee which carries out what the people's will.

Tell me about any protests or activities against Hamas in Gaza and I will apologize, and no longer use my personal hashtag:
#FuckGaza