Pro-Palestine protesters being their antisemitic selves ✨

@NerdyPotato [quote]boycott companies that actively enable them[/quote]
Yes that's always been a successful strategy against those parasitic Jews.
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"Germans! Defend yourselves! Don't buy from Jews!"

@helenS there's no need to boycott all Jews. Just companies that finance the genocide.

@NerdyPotato I think calling for a cease-fire in Gaza is important in this context, so Hamas can reorganize itself and prepare for the next pogrom (which they announced they will do as soon as possible).

@helenS yep, a permanent ceasefire from both sides would be great, although Israel isn't known to honor that.

@helenS I doubt if killing more innocents in Gaza can eliminate the Hamas threat for ever. When Isreal embarked on the offensive to eliminate Hamas, had it considered the collateral damage?
How many have to die for how many revenges?!
This is madness. And it is supported by a larger commercial interest that excludes ethics.

@WandererTony Could you please tell me about any protests in Gaza against Hamas in the past 20 years? So I can believe you when you mention "innocents in Gaza". In a recent poll, 72% of respondents backed the Hamas-led attack of October 7th.

@helenS that's no surprise. They've been severely oppressed by Israel for decades. As an outsider I don't support the kidnapping, but I fully understand it from the point of the victims of apartheid and poverty caused by the target. And did you know that the hostages felt well cared for by Hamas, but were afraid Israel was going to kill them? Meanwhile the hostages Israel took (3 times as many) were tortured.

@helenS who conducted that recent poll? How neutral was it? Which aspect of the Hamas attack did 70% Palestinians support? Breaching the border and attacking Israel is a common dream. I can understand that. But shooting unarmed people in a celebration and raping women has 70% support? You believe that?

@WandererTony Here's the source:
https://www.awrad.org/files/server/polls/polls2023/Public%20Opinion%20Poll%20-%20Gaza%20War%202023%20-%20Tables%20of%20Results.pdf

This poll has been conducted in cooperation with German Konrad-Adenauer foundation. One interesting (and very telling!) result is that the vast majority of so-called "Palestinians" [u]denies[/u] that Hamas has committed atrocities against Israeli civilians. Similar to many Germans denying holocaust after WWII.

@helenS Very similar to Israelis denying that they are committing war crimes and ethnic cleansing?

@helenS I cannot comment on the accuracy of the survey agency. Assuming they are good, the sample size of 668 is very low as per me. And even if it is ok, could be it was during the initial euphoria after the attack. Many didn’t know the atrocities committed. Wasn’t in the news here. Read on the net later. Still not sure about the authenticity with so much propaganda. You had mentioned something ghastly in an earlier post.
I take your point, but please do not compare with the Germans just because it is anti Israel. That creates prejudice.
This is about land. That wasn’t. Hamas wants to terrorise. Not eliminate. They don’t have the strength for that. Israel wants to eliminate in this case. With huge collateral damage.

@WandererTony A sample size of 668 is perfectly good for rough inferences about a population; a 95% confidence interval based on that data yields 71.7% to 78.24%, which is more than enough to Demonstrate Helen's point. Support for the October 7th attack is in the '70s is fucking enormous.

That said, using poll results to implicitly justify the slaughter of civilians is despicable behavior on @helenS's part.

@BlueVeins Here is another poll conducted in Israel with a really sinister outcome.

Nearly 60% of Israeli Jews believe that Israel is not using enough force in Gaza.

https://time.com/6333781/israel-hamas-poll-palestine/

@Ozymandiaz Yeah, the Zionist logic of treating Palestinians as legitimate targets based on the ethnicity's complicity /w Hamas is basically identical to Hamas's logic of treating Israelis as legitimate targets based on Israeli's complicity with the Israeli government. It's all vile, and this kind of thing is the reason why this war has become interminable.

@BlueVeins rough inference is relative. How rough is acceptable to whom is the question. As you rightly implied, such data is being used to justify violence by a brainwashed target population. This is the issue with such statistics. Hence I said that there are risks in considering the analysis as a sacrosanct deduction.

@Ozymandiaz ... because it's true. Israel isn't using enough force in Gaza. Hamas is not beaten yet, and Hamas [b]is[/b] Gaza.

#FuckGaza

@helenS Saying that Hamas is Gaza is such openly genocidal rhetoric. I've disagreed with you on this issue for a long time, but I feel like you've gone full hitler ever since the October 7th terrorist attack. Get a hold of yourself.

@helenS Sorry, Hamas is not Gaza. There are Palestinians there. They are not allowed to have an army. And Hamas is the militant result of that frustration. True that they have gone overboard and become terrorists. But there is more to Gaza than Hamas. Lot more.