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What If Monty's "Operation Market Garden" Had Succeeded?

The ultimate goal of the operation has been deemed by historians as "a bridge too far" and perhaps it really was overly ambitious. But bad luck did play a role and if Market Garden had succeeded in all of its goals, the war in Europe perhaps ends by Christmas 1944, early January 1945 at the latest.

Berlin thus falls to combined American, British and Canadian forces; the Red Army is still fighting its way thru Poland, not having captured Waraw.

The Soviets would have still had an occupation zone in Berlin, but it would have been surrounded by western Allies' occupying forces and not the other way around. (So there's no Berlin Airlift necessary in 1948).

Since there would not have been any formal agreement with respects to the post-war borders of Poland (the Tehran Conference in November 1943 informally set the eastern border roughly along the Curzon Line of 1920 and not ratified until the Potsdam Conference of 1945), Poland emerges post-war with more of its pre-war territory intact. Although the Polish borders would likely have still been moved somewhat westward, the post-war Polish government would be the one that was in exile, not a communist one installed by the Soviets.

Nearly all of pre-war Czechoslovakia would be occupied by the western Allies after Germany's surrender, including Prague, as the Soviets hadn't begun their fighting into present day Slovakia until January 1945.

Perhaps up to one million Jews survive from the Nazi death camps, many of whom would immigrate to the newly formed state of Israel in 1948.

The first successful test of the atomic bomb was still a half a year away. But President Roosevelt is still alive and, with V-E Day having taken place before his 4th inaugural, he might not have been as hasty in negotating for Soviet help in dealing with Japan in February 1945 at Yalta with Germany now already defeated. Roosevelt may well have agreed for the return of South Sakhalin Island, which had been taken from Russia by Japan in the Russo-Japanese War in 1905, to the Soviets, but the cession of Kuril Islands once Japan was defeated might have been too much for Roosevelt's agreement.

WIth all of Germany occupied by the western Allies, the French zone of occupation is surely not going to be carved out of the U.S. and U.K. zones. It will be equal in size to that of the Soviets' zone. French leader General Charles de Gaulle is therefore almost certainly going to be invited to any post-war conference. It probably won't even be at Yalta, given Germany's rapid defeat.

Large numbers of U.S. troops are quickly heading to the Pacific, along with ships and aircraft. The fire-bombing of Tokyo likely happens two months sooner, weather permitting. Likewise, too, with the invasion of Okinawa. Iwo Jima falls in late January. With Germany's defeat, Japan is now suffering from nearly a two-fold intensity in air raids. Shore bombardment by U.S. and Royal Navy battleships happen in February 1945 instead of July and destroy the Japanese governments propaganda claims to its citizens of invicibility. All in all, Japan's precarious position is at a point now in late February or early March 1945 that it didn't actually reach until late July. Moreover, with or without any agreement on Soviet help to defeat Japan, Stalin abrogates the Soviet–Japanese Neutrality Pact and the Red Army in February 1945 launches a massive attack against Japanese positions in Manchuria.

Would it still take two atomic bombs in August 1945 to shock Japanese military leaders to their senses? Or does President Roosevelt's abilities of personal persuasion get Emporer Hirohito to order the militarists to accept the Allies' demands for an unconditional surrender? Would the extra several months Vice President Harry Truman would have had of a world at peace have better prepared him for the presidency?

And if the war does end sooner, does the stress and fatigue of 12+ years in office and leading a nation at war for over three years still cause Roosevelt's fatal massive cerebral haemorrhage (or as some historians now speculate, from melanoma) at age 63 in April 1945? Or does he live a little longer, perhaps to learn of the successful atomic bomb test at Trinty?
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krf336 · M
If everything had gone perfectly, things might have turned out exactly as they planned and you laid out.
But plans NEVER go as planned, especially in war so there is no way to predict how things would have played out.
The german counter offensive in france in late 1944 might have been successfull because the 101st AB would be in belguim or the Netherlands instead of Bastogne. They would then be able to hold pattons 3rd Army in the south. Or they might have realized deployed their forces in the west and forced a treaty with russia.
There a thousand unknowables. It is a fun mental exercise though.
beckyromero · 36-40, FVIP
@krf336

(1) There was no "german counter offensive in france in late 1944." The Germans attacked in the Ardennes (Belgium) with a goal of reaching Antwerp.

(2) Operation Market Garden did NOT go as planned. Had it, the Allies would have controlled not only the bridgehead over the Rhine (Arnhem), but with it an invasion route to take the offensive straight into northern Germany. The question that was posed is, "What If Monty's "Operation Market Garden" Had Succeeded?"

(3) Adolf Hitler began informing his generals of his plan for a late 1944 offensive on September 16, 1944. Operation Market Garden commenced the following day. Had Market Garden been a success, the Germans would have had to use units later assigned to Unternehmen Wacht am Rhein to defend the industrial north of Germany itself. For example, the 15th Army, tasked with defending the Ardennes, had only be sent there after Market Garden failed. The thought of any German counter-offensive in December 1944 into Belgium while at the same time trying to stave off the capture of Berlin is fantasy.
krf336 · M
@beckyromero Yes, This entire discussion is fantasy and I awnsered your question.
You can disagree with my use of the word "counteroffensive," thats fine.
But the entire premise falls apart IF market garden succeeds because there is no way to predict what Hitler would have done.
If he wanted to reach antwerp or take the Ardenne, he might have ordered that anyway.
He likely would not have had the chance as we likely would have taken been in Germany. Everyone can agree that hitler was Crazy and most of his orders and plans were thought by his own officers to be insane.
beckyromero · 36-40, FVIP
@krf336
You can disagree with my use of the word "counteroffensive," thats fine.

It isn't just a matter of disagreement. You simply don't know the facts.

You stated that "The german counter offensive in france in late 1944 might have been successfull because the 101st AB would be in belguim or the Netherlands instead of Bastogne."

There was no "German counter offensive in France in late 1944."

The Germans attacked thru the Ardennes. As I previously pointed out, the parts of the Ardennes Forest where the Germans attacked is in BELGIUM, not "France."

And I find it hilarious that you name-dropped the "101st Airborne Division" in an effort to show some knowledge about the Battle of the Bulge - while at the time speculating the Germans might have otherwise have been successful if "the 101st AB would be in Belguim... instead of Bastogne.

Just where the hell do you think Bastogne is exactly?

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Sorry, but when you lob a softball like that down the middle of the plate you SHOULD expect it to be crushed. Still, use this as an opportunity to learn more about the Battle of the Bulge.
krf336 · M
@beckyromero ok, bastogne was in belguim, i clearly had that wrong. But before the 101st was sent in there they were participating in market garden. So they were in the north. So during the attack. They would not have been there.
beckyromero · 36-40, FVIP
@krf336

If Operation Market Garden had been successful, with Allied troops pouring into northern Germany, the war might have very well been over by Christmas 1944, in which case the Ardennes would not have needed to be defended.

But it WAS defended - and would have been defended in any case IF it was still part of the front lines.

The reason why elements of the U.S. First Army were there instead of someplace else was principally to give its soldiers a rest while still being in a position to defend that area, if necessary.

It was actually the 28th Infantry Division that was delaying the approaches to Bastogne. The 101st Airborne was being held in reserve and was ordered into Bastogne and arrived mere hours before the German seige began. The 101st wasn't at the front and the rest and recooperation being given to its troops was because of constant fighting it had been involved in since D-Day (including Market Garden).

But, here's the important point. If Market Garden was a success, where would the Allies have been?

The solid red arrow at the centre of this map represents the intended, ultimate advances by Allied ground forces, as a result of Operation Market Garden. (Map source: HMSO, UK, c. 1968/69.)

The Allies would have been in the Ruhr Valley, with the First Army advancing past Cologne. Gen. Patton's Third Army was already racing towards the German West Wall. In otherwords, the Ardennes would not have been on the front lines in December 1944 had Market Garden been a success.

Montgomery and Patton both had huge egos and both felt themselves as the person who should lead the main assault into Germany. But they both had the same principle idea: a massive thrust into Germany and towards Berlin to end the war quickly. Eisenhower, although he grudgingly approved Market Garden, felt differently and wanted a broad push across the whole front.