Are our government's complicit in a coming genocide?

I really want to be wrong but I fear that I am not.

I started off predicting that tens of thousands would die in Gaza. I really hate to say that but think it will be in the hundreds of thousands. All the signs are that Israel is trying to make Gaza so insufferable that nobody who stays can survive. They want Egypt to open its border and the longer it doesn't, they will try and blame them for the deaths.

The Palestinians have the name 'Nakba' (I believe it means catastrophe in English) for when 700,000 were forced to leave their homes and move to the fringes of Israel in 1948. They are already referring to this as the second Nakba.

The IDF is trying to destroy Hamas but their method for doing so is to eradicate (by death or relocation) all the Palestinians from the Gaza Strip. Everything points to this. The decision to tell Palestinians to leave the northern half of Gaza, the diplomatic pressure on Egypt, and the dehumanising language that regards all Palestinians as enemy combatants. The cutting off of all power and food. The Zionist project has wanted a Jewish-only state for some time and they are using the attack by Hamas as an excuse to do just that. Unless Western governments stop them, I think that this will happen.

Hamas deserve condemnation for their disgusting attack on Israeli civilians, however, this is not a case of both sides being the same. You can simultaneously condemn the Hamas attack and also stand against a tragedy that is literally two orders of magnitude greater. I can hate Saddam Hussain and also disagree with the invasion of Iraq.

Is violence committed by a Western-backed state more morally acceptable than what Hamas did? Do we really value all lives the same?

I'm going to bed now but I will probably reply tomorrow.

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RedBaron · M

A big question is why haven’t Arab states like Egypt and Saudi Arabia done anything to help Palestinians?

It appears that they don’t care what happens in Gaza.

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Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@RedBaron This is whataboutary to the ultimate. Two million people are being deplaced. A large number of them are being killed and your answer is to blame neighbouring Arab states.

RedBaron · M

@Burnley123 *DISPLACED.

And I am not blaming anyone. I’m just raising a question.

But you are bending over backwards to blame Israel for what Hamas did, and that’s just twisted.

Another question is why doesn’t
Hamas care what happens to innocent people in Gaza?

Here’s a whataboutism: What about blaming Jews for everything that goes wrong?

RedBaron · M

@Burnley123 Your failure to respond to assure me that you’re not just defaulting to blaming the Jew says a lot more than any words can.

I seem to have struck a nerve and gotten to the heart of the issue: You’re just a typical antisemite, no better than those celebrating the Hamas attack and chanting “Gas the Jews!”

I doubt you have anything to say to prove me wrong, but I’m all ears.

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@RedBaron My 'failure to respond' is based on me being at work all day and having a lot of messages.

To accuse me of antisemitism is pathetic, disingenuous and despicable.

My motivation is that two million people are being displaced and hundreds of thousands ate about to die.

I was attempting to keep this polite but because you accused me of pretty much being in favour of the Holocaust based on no other reason than I've criticised the IDF, I feel a duty to point the following out:

You are supporting a genocide. What enables you to do that is that you see Arab people as sub-human and not worthy of consideration by 'civilised' people. I put it to you that 300,000 Palestinians would die and you didn't care. I have condemned Hamas. You have done no such thing with the IDF.

Whether you realise it or not, your arguments imply a racial hierarchy where westernised white people have value and brown skinned Arabs have none. An Israeli politician described Hamas as animals and also implicated all Palestinians as Hamas. There is ample grounds in these exchanges to think that you believe the same.

I believe that all lives: Israeli or Arab are worth the same. You are in the process of supporting a literal genocide but you don't see it as that because people 'not like you' don't count.

RedBaron · M

@Burnley123 I am not supporting anything. I’m just saying that you seem to default to blaming Jews without condemning what Hamas did.

Everything you have posted on this subject is unilaterally condemning Israel.

I hope I am wrong, but you present as being antisemitic, however unintentionally.

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@RedBaron You accused me of being in favour of gassing Jews because I was late replying to a post. Not only is that disengenuous, it's also really low and baseless.

Read my reply again and have a good long think about your own racial biases.

RedBaron · M

@Burnley123 Read my comment again. I said that being antisemitic makes one no better than those chanting such a thing. I never said you were in favor of it.

Maybe it’s not your intention, and I hope it isn’t, but your repeated posts and comments on here present you as anti-Jewish and vehemently anti-Israel while appearing to hold Hamas and Palestinians as blameless, innocent victims.

In fact, neither Israel nor the Palestinians are blameless and blood is on both their hands in an ages-old conflict with no simple solution.

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RedBaron · M

@Burnley123 That’s nice.

Just because you don’t acknowledge it doesn’t mean you’re not biased.

Burnley123 · 41-45, M

@RedBaron You are the one projecting...