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apalebluedot · 41-45, M
sree251 · 41-45, M
@apalebluedot I agree with your perception. This has been the case in human history. I am American. I don't deny that I prefer living among fellow Americans. I have met American tourists abroad at airports and they tell me that they can't wait to get home. Home is where the heart is. But why can't we live like good neighbors with other countries and cultures?
sree251 · 41-45, M
@SlaveEt You said: "I'll take the modern way of life with our medical, dental, education, etc. and let those who wish to live differently do so."
The modern way of life is a city way of life where people have sharp minds and sharp clothes. What is there not to like about going out Friday nights in a fancy car to dine at a chic restaurant? I have often questioned my own belief that living close to the land is better. Whenever I go on vacation, I would take road trips to small historic towns surrounded by artisanal farmlands. Folks there are nice but not as sharp as city types like you and me. I often wondered why. The more remote the place, the less sharp they seem to be. Here is a video to show what I mean. It's about four sharp city dudes in the nature.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDlZLsJJkVA
The modern way of life is a city way of life where people have sharp minds and sharp clothes. What is there not to like about going out Friday nights in a fancy car to dine at a chic restaurant? I have often questioned my own belief that living close to the land is better. Whenever I go on vacation, I would take road trips to small historic towns surrounded by artisanal farmlands. Folks there are nice but not as sharp as city types like you and me. I often wondered why. The more remote the place, the less sharp they seem to be. Here is a video to show what I mean. It's about four sharp city dudes in the nature.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDlZLsJJkVA
sree251 · 41-45, M
@SlaveEt You said: "Do you honestly believe we are separate? Special? Better than?
I say we are as much a part of it as the ants, beavers and eagles. We change our environment to suit us, same as any other creature."
I do not believe but I am afraid that we have lost touch with nature. We are too wrapped up with our lives to care too much about it. Our pace of life is too fast and out of sync with our bodies. On the average, we travel in our cars at 80 mph on the freeway, 500 mph in airplanes, and the speed of light on the computer at our computers to reach business partners across the globe. We are no longer living with our bodies that have legs for locomotion. Hardly anyone lives at a pace of 3 mph these days. Living at such a face pace comes with a price. We are not aware of the stress level it imposes on the body, and the toll it takes on human relationships. We kill human bodies with no remorse. It's normal for a US President to announce on national TV that he has just killed someone in a drone strike. We kill each other off as a way of life. Do we feel better than the other animals? We slaughter them in the tens of millions everyday for food.
I say we are as much a part of it as the ants, beavers and eagles. We change our environment to suit us, same as any other creature."
I do not believe but I am afraid that we have lost touch with nature. We are too wrapped up with our lives to care too much about it. Our pace of life is too fast and out of sync with our bodies. On the average, we travel in our cars at 80 mph on the freeway, 500 mph in airplanes, and the speed of light on the computer at our computers to reach business partners across the globe. We are no longer living with our bodies that have legs for locomotion. Hardly anyone lives at a pace of 3 mph these days. Living at such a face pace comes with a price. We are not aware of the stress level it imposes on the body, and the toll it takes on human relationships. We kill human bodies with no remorse. It's normal for a US President to announce on national TV that he has just killed someone in a drone strike. We kill each other off as a way of life. Do we feel better than the other animals? We slaughter them in the tens of millions everyday for food.
BizSuitStacy · M
The world will always be political. Borders don't matter. The world is already controlled by a handful of uber-rich unelected elitists.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@Kwek00 You said: "Are you stoned? Because that's how that first post sounds like. Just saying stuff about how bodies aren't open societies contributes really little."
It is something I learned at university when I was taught systems approach to design. Way back in the 60's, there was a research project studying social systems. Society today is too complex for humans to manage. Too much information to process in real time. Even doctors these days have to rely on computers to perform diagnoses and make decisions. Have you any idea how massive and complex the US grid is? The donkeys in Congress don't make decisions as to where the economy needs to go or how to manage the supply chains. It's technology and experts managing the country with the help of computers the way a commercial airline pilot fly a Boeing 737 aided by onboard computers. Anyway, what they found out is that eventually our social systems are doomed no matter how they tweaked the variables: population growth rate, pollution, natural resources, etc. It was very disturbing to me. I am sure academics like the Ted Kaczynski was cognizant of the dire consequences and went off the deep end trying to warn us. So, my perspective of Soros' open society is not the same as yours. Computers are rational decision makers. Their solutions to save an open society could necessitate culling the old, the sick, and the weak. Think about that.
It is something I learned at university when I was taught systems approach to design. Way back in the 60's, there was a research project studying social systems. Society today is too complex for humans to manage. Too much information to process in real time. Even doctors these days have to rely on computers to perform diagnoses and make decisions. Have you any idea how massive and complex the US grid is? The donkeys in Congress don't make decisions as to where the economy needs to go or how to manage the supply chains. It's technology and experts managing the country with the help of computers the way a commercial airline pilot fly a Boeing 737 aided by onboard computers. Anyway, what they found out is that eventually our social systems are doomed no matter how they tweaked the variables: population growth rate, pollution, natural resources, etc. It was very disturbing to me. I am sure academics like the Ted Kaczynski was cognizant of the dire consequences and went off the deep end trying to warn us. So, my perspective of Soros' open society is not the same as yours. Computers are rational decision makers. Their solutions to save an open society could necessitate culling the old, the sick, and the weak. Think about that.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@sree251 Yeah... remember what I said at the beginning...
[quote]My comment on the George Sorros figure is about people having no clue what they are talking about. That they villinise someone that seems to have pushed for an open society since he survived the holocaust. And I call people tools, because it's exactly that ignorance that is being abused by forces that oppose the idea of an open society. But the tools themselves are unaware to explain what they are actually angry at. I've not called you a tool yet, but you are kinda helping my point as we go along.[/quote]
You are part of that group that has no idea what they are talking about. We've been going for 2 days now... and you are still strawmanning terms so that it's more easy for you to attack them.
This:
[quote]So, my perspective of Soros' open society is not the same as yours. Computers are rational decision makers. Their solutions to save an open society could necessitate culling the old, the sick, and the weak. Think about that.[/quote]
has nothing to do with an open society. It has nothing to do with freedom of the individual, it goes against the idea of: [i]societies that cherrish human lives (humanitarianism), believe in a form of equality of the human species, a form of liberty, political freedom (pluralism), and promote the rule of law. Ussually channeled through a liberal democracy.[/i]
Neither does it ask it's participants too be computers. It doesn't need everyone to be rational about stuff. It doesn't care about your ideals or anyone else its ideals. And it doesn't want to manage society, because it's not a totaliratian system. It's not obsessed with order and hyrarchie.
So yeah... 2 days later, there is no advancement here, and now I'm done. You think about that while you meander on how your body is an open society and intellectually masturbate about why the UNA bomber went down the deep end. I'll give you a hint for that last one... the answer why all these people that subscribe too classical conservatism and everything on the right from that get a bit insane and paranoid, it's in the ideological framework. Read Burke, Herder and... Zeev Sternhells' book on the Anti-Enlightenment. And have nice weekend.
[quote]My comment on the George Sorros figure is about people having no clue what they are talking about. That they villinise someone that seems to have pushed for an open society since he survived the holocaust. And I call people tools, because it's exactly that ignorance that is being abused by forces that oppose the idea of an open society. But the tools themselves are unaware to explain what they are actually angry at. I've not called you a tool yet, but you are kinda helping my point as we go along.[/quote]
You are part of that group that has no idea what they are talking about. We've been going for 2 days now... and you are still strawmanning terms so that it's more easy for you to attack them.
This:
[quote]So, my perspective of Soros' open society is not the same as yours. Computers are rational decision makers. Their solutions to save an open society could necessitate culling the old, the sick, and the weak. Think about that.[/quote]
has nothing to do with an open society. It has nothing to do with freedom of the individual, it goes against the idea of: [i]societies that cherrish human lives (humanitarianism), believe in a form of equality of the human species, a form of liberty, political freedom (pluralism), and promote the rule of law. Ussually channeled through a liberal democracy.[/i]
Neither does it ask it's participants too be computers. It doesn't need everyone to be rational about stuff. It doesn't care about your ideals or anyone else its ideals. And it doesn't want to manage society, because it's not a totaliratian system. It's not obsessed with order and hyrarchie.
So yeah... 2 days later, there is no advancement here, and now I'm done. You think about that while you meander on how your body is an open society and intellectually masturbate about why the UNA bomber went down the deep end. I'll give you a hint for that last one... the answer why all these people that subscribe too classical conservatism and everything on the right from that get a bit insane and paranoid, it's in the ideological framework. Read Burke, Herder and... Zeev Sternhells' book on the Anti-Enlightenment. And have nice weekend.
sree251 · 41-45, M
@Kwek00 You said: "You are part of that group that has no idea what they are talking about. We've been going for 2 days now... and you are still strawmanning terms so that it's more easy for you to attack them."
You are being dismissive and unwilling to address my comments and show the flaws in my opinions. Rejection of opinions without providing evidence of their irrationality violates the critical thinking process you espouse. You tout the value of open society principles but seem impatient and incapable of practicing them.
The reason why Soros can plough ahead with his open society program is because he has the money to do it. He is calling the shots using financial power he gained with the brutal force of a massive currency bet that could have wrecked millions of ordinary people's livelihood. Is this good or evil? I am a capitalist at heart. I would say that Soros made a great bet. It's a dog eat dog world, and he took a big chunk out of the poor dog he attacked. And now he wants to be a philanthropist funding open society programs for the good of mankind.
You are being dismissive and unwilling to address my comments and show the flaws in my opinions. Rejection of opinions without providing evidence of their irrationality violates the critical thinking process you espouse. You tout the value of open society principles but seem impatient and incapable of practicing them.
The reason why Soros can plough ahead with his open society program is because he has the money to do it. He is calling the shots using financial power he gained with the brutal force of a massive currency bet that could have wrecked millions of ordinary people's livelihood. Is this good or evil? I am a capitalist at heart. I would say that Soros made a great bet. It's a dog eat dog world, and he took a big chunk out of the poor dog he attacked. And now he wants to be a philanthropist funding open society programs for the good of mankind.
Thevy29 · 41-45, M
No. We speak English but it is not the same language. If you don't know where someone comes from there is bound to be confusion.
sree251 · 41-45, M
Thevy29 · 41-45, M
@sree251 I'm not sure about the Kiwi's. Our Government has been trying to build Nuclear Power plants for awhile now. But the population doesn't want it. We protest every time they tried. Same as importing the Nuclear waste from America to store it.
So with all our Hospitals backed up. With all the ambulances in the parking lot with patients. The Government ignored the peoples request for more ambulances and hospital beds which would have costed $20 million. And instead spent $35 billion on buying Nuclear Subs from America. Which hadn't arrived yet. So they spent more money on getting some from the French...
Besides it's pointless. China doesn't need to invade. They have been buying up Australia homes, business's and utilities for awhile now.
So with all our Hospitals backed up. With all the ambulances in the parking lot with patients. The Government ignored the peoples request for more ambulances and hospital beds which would have costed $20 million. And instead spent $35 billion on buying Nuclear Subs from America. Which hadn't arrived yet. So they spent more money on getting some from the French...
Besides it's pointless. China doesn't need to invade. They have been buying up Australia homes, business's and utilities for awhile now.
SoLeRiMix · 31-35, M
We can only if we genuinely believe in [b]PLUR[/b] (i.e., Peace, Love, Unity, and Respect).🙏
ekwalizur · 41-45, M
I'd settle for being w/out lawyers
National governments provide many different functions, from the provision of education to health care to old age pensions to law and order to national defence. Hopefully, democratic, they are elected to fulfil the wishes of the people within their demographic. This further breaks down to governments at the local level. To be able to provide services like local roads, sewerage, rubbish removal etc they levy taxes. You can have open borders or you can have democracy and government provided services - I don't think you can have both
sree251 · 41-45, M
@Activitykittens You said: "You can have open borders or you can have democracy and government provided services - I don't think you can have both"
We don't need democracy or government. All we need are management services for roads, sewerage, rubbish removal,etc. and we pay taxes for them. Same deal wherever we want to live in the world. We need airports without passport check at immigration.
We don't need democracy or government. All we need are management services for roads, sewerage, rubbish removal,etc. and we pay taxes for them. Same deal wherever we want to live in the world. We need airports without passport check at immigration.