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Israel is attacked

This stuff didn’t happen when Trump was in office. Russia/Ukraine… Chinas posturing…. Now Israel..

Biden is viewed as weak. It’s that simple.
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basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
Yeah, well, maybe Israel shouldn't have armed Azerbaijan to ethnically cleanse indigenous Christian Armenians in Artsakh.
@basilfawlty89 Did you see earlier in the week where the Christian parade was spat on in Jerusalem?
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@Ozymandiaz I did. This happens regularly to Armenian, Greek and Assyrian clergy in Jerusalem.
@basilfawlty89 I guess that happens when you live in a far-right ethnocentric apartheid little state
sascha · F
@Ozymandiaz What do you think about the fact that Hamas is dedicated to destroying that state? They aren't the PLO; they refuse to make concessions, even ones that benefit Palestinians (like give Jerusalem to Palestine).

So, what is your solution?
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@sascha Hamas most certainly is a horrible organisation and should be removed. However, it shouldn't be at the expense of Palestinian civilians or the right of Palestinian self determination.
@sascha I think it is appalling yet it pales in comparison to the atrocities and human rights violations that Israel has committed.

It is what happens when you leave people with little choice or little hope. So effectively the Israeli policy of brutality gave them a platform. While also creating a handy little boogeyman that people can cart out in situations like this.
sascha · F
[quote]Hamas most certainly is a horrible organisation and should be removed. However, it shouldn't be at the expense of Palestinian civilians or the right of Palestinian self determination.[/quote]

I agree.
sascha · F
@Ozymandiaz You could at least be like @basilfawlty89, and not defend the actions of Hamas.
@sascha I guess I defended them when I called them appalling did I?
sascha · F
@Ozymandiaz

This is what you said:

[quote]yet it pales in comparison to the atrocities and human rights violations that Israel has committed.[/quote]

Israeli civilians dying is horrible and does not "pale in comparison" to anything. There is nothing that justifies murdering innocent people, whether they are from Israel or from Palestine. Murder is wrong.
@sascha

Explain to me how pointing out that one murderous organisation kills more people than the other is a defence of either organisation. Because that just sounds stupid. No offence.

We both know that Israel has murdered a lot more innocent civilians than Hamas has.