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Is the western world moving in a far-right direction?

I think that it is, slowly away. In my time, I've seen radical parties and radical ideas normalised along with conspiracy theories. Large minorities of people support these ideas and it's become normalised for people (and politicians) in the middle. The Overton window always changes and it's clear which way it is going.

This is about Trump, but it's not just about him because Europe has had a resurgence of 'nationalist' parties who are losing their taboo and becoming slowly more influential. The British Conservative Party is not far-right and is not as radical as - say - the US Republicans or the German AFD. However, they've recently instituted measures that effectively criminalise asylum seekers. The Tories want to send them to Rwanda to be processed. They also passed a public order bill which means you can get locked up for 'disruption.' Most protest causes some kind of disruption and that is half of the point. Here, UKIP and the Brexit Party acted as outliers to push the Tories in a more nativist direction. Obviously, they still have the same neoliberal policies that benefit the rich. Blame someone else and people will vote for you nonetheless.

In continental Europe (where most countries have proportional representation voting) radical right parties have emerged and become more popular. In some cases, they have served in Government either on a local or regional level. In Italy, Hungary and Poland, they have led governments. Trump has taken over the US Republican Party to the point where other candidates are terrified to say they won't support him if he goes to jail for insighting an insurrection. Hungary is the place where the far right has had the most success. If you have time, this is an excellent article:

https://www.sciencespo.fr/ceri/en/content/politics-worst-practices-hungary-2010s

Why is this happening? My take on this is because Western economies are now in a period of long-term low (or zero) growth. The neoliberal era (from the 80s to the 00s) saw rapid growth over a long period of time. However, much of this was created debt accumulation and the financialization of our economies, which also entrenched greater instability. It also disproportionately effected some groups more than others. This came to a head with the 2007/08 financial crash. That incident really was a bookmark in modern political history and it didn't come about [i]just [/i]because of greedy bankers but because the growth models of our economies were unsustainable. After the recession, we had some periods of slow growth before Covid. Since the Covid crash, whatever growth we have had has been eaten by inflation. The days of long-term economic growth are probably gone for good in the west and people can feel it. A big part of this is indeed down to globalisation.

When the economics change, so does the politics, even if there is usually a lag. More people are open to question whether the conventional politics of the last fifty years represent them amd are more open to alternatives. The left has had its own alternative candidates and answers: Corbyn, Sanders, Syriza and others. Outside France (where Jean-Luc Melenchon is a major figure) this has mostly been defeated. So politics in most places has the liberal centre holding onto the status quo against an increasingly radicalised right wing. In many cases, these centrists have taken on more right-wing politics to try and get elected. I'm thinking of Macron and Keir Starmer in particular. Change can happen from within as well as without. The change that gets the most support (regardless of whether their solutions will improve people's lives) is coming from the right. I hope I am wrong but this process is set to continue.
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ArtieKat · M
Apologies for sidetracking your post - I see that I've been blocked by "Adeptlinguist" who quite obviously threw a temper tantrum before I could read his parting shot. That's the sort of democracy he believes in: I'm taking my football and going home because I didn't win.
Human1000 · 51-55, M
@ArtieKat You were bring an arse, no?
ArtieKat · M
@Human1000 I don't think I was - I don't like hypocrisy concerning democracy. Enfranchised people have the right to choose without being lectured that they are ill-educated and were somehow hoodwinked into voting as they did.
Human1000 · 51-55, M
@ArtieKat Everyone lectures though don’t they? Your class based criticism seems to back up his point. And are you really asserting Brexit wasn’t predominantly a right wing populist movement? I’m open to a different opinion. I’m sure there were studies.
ArtieKat · M
@Human1000 It certainly wasn't a right-wing populist movement. There was a HUGE shift across the heart of Britain of lifelong Labour voters to supporting Boris Johnson because they felt abandoned by their own Party.
Human1000 · 51-55, M
@ArtieKat If that description is an exaggeration I concede the point. I did find this, though:

A 2017 study published in the journal Economic Policy showed that the Leave vote tended to be greater in areas which had lower incomes and high unemployment, a strong tradition of manufacturing employment, and in which the population had fewer qualifications. It also tended to be greater where there was a large flow of Eastern European migrants (mainly low-skilled workers) into areas with a large share of native low-skilled workers. Those in lower social grades (especially the working class) were more likely to vote Leave, while those in higher social grades (especially the upper middle class) more likely to vote Remain.

Conservative Party voters were 61% likely to vote leave, compared to Labour Party voters, who were 35% likely to vote leave.
ArtieKat · M
@Human1000 I won't argue with most of that. But at the following General Election there was a huge move away from Labour
Human1000 · 51-55, M
@ArtieKat I can’t speak to that, being American. We did see Brexit as a harbinger of Trump, though. Something had gone askew. Also, we became of aware of Nigel Farage, an unctuous class huckster if there ever was one.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@ArtieKat @Human1000

Brexit voting demographics are complicated and there are a lot of competing narratives.

Whilst it's true working-class areas in the 'Red Wall' (including Burnley where I come from) heavily voted leave, it's a bit more complicated when you drill down into the figures.

In personal income, remain voters are only slightly higher than remain voters on average. When you look at assets, it is more complicated still because (as leave voters are older) they tend to be more asset-rich than remain voters of a similar income.

There are middle-class sections of both the remain and leave vote.

The remain vote was typically a coalition of young (and youngish) middle-class professionals and the non-white working class.

Suburbia was split down the middle.

The leave vote was a coalition between the traditional right and older, white working-class p people. If this looks familiar to Human1000, that's because it's not dissimilar to the American Democrat/Republican voter demographics. The big cities (London especially) were heavily remain. Rural areas and the post-industrial towns of northern England voted to leave.

The 2019 general election result was heavily influenced by Brexit and a large section of formally Labour supporters (the northern working-class boomers) voted Conservative. This was a significant demographic shift.

Prior to 2019, Labour (and I know this well as a party member) was massively conflicted and divided over Brexit. Corbyn had initially accepted the referendum result, which had brought a credible performance in a narrow defeat in 2017. We lost, but the Labour vote held together well given we had been completely written off.

Between 2017-and 2019, the middle-class liberals of the Labour voter base put increasing pressure on Labour to take a harder position against Brexit. Given to their eyes, Brexit was such a self-evident disaster and a con, they felt betrayed by Corbyn and the party leadership. I know people who bragged about singing "'Where's Jeremy Corbyn?" at 'People's Vote' demos. They eventually got the party to switch positions but that had disastrous results in leave voting areas who felt betrayed by Labour's support for a second referendum. I did canvassing in Red Wall seats and people really hated us.

Brexit really split the Labour vote in a way that was impossible to navigate. Most of your party members and supporters are remainers. Most of your constituencies (districts) and your most traditional supporters voted leave.
ArtieKat · M
@Burnley123 Thanks for your very considered analysis.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@ArtieKat I do think that Brexit is mostly a rightwing populist movement. It was definitely populist and whatever the intentions of those voting (some Communists are Brexiteers) the result has been shift to the right.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@ArtieKat Cheers. You probably don't think the same about my second comment but I respect your opinion.
ArtieKat · M
@Burnley123 LOL. Did you see my reply earlier to ConnyLinguist that I genuinely believe that if Ursula Von Der Leyen (and Charles Michel) had been in power preceding the Brexit referendum the outcome may have been very different. They have been far more pragmatic than the old guard and David Cameron might have had an easier task in promoting "Remain"
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@ArtieKat I did read that but imo it would only have been a slight change. The populist sentiment would have carried leave.