Although I highly doubt it'll happen in my lifetime.

@oldundieslover we don't need hierarchy or exploitation

@Guitarman123 We are humankind. As a species, we're little better than a parasitic organism to the earth. Hierarchy and exploitation are intrinsic to our make-up.

@Graylight we are social animals who thrive off interactions with our fellow human beings. Being alienated or in constant competition with each other whilst denying the Co operative part of nature is dangerous and unhealthy

@Guitarman123 Dig deeper. We share much in common with herd animals and this has been borne out through the millennia. We are prosocial only as long as it benefits us; research has shown that when the need of cooperation disappears, it's every monkey for himself. We are parasitic, hive minded and nearing our sustainable burden on this rock.

@Graylight mutual aid has existed since the days of the animal kingdom and early tribes. It's as much part of nature to be sociable and considerate for each other as it is to serve self interest. Even darwin recognised that

@Guitarman123 Yes, and even he understood that outside factor and the environment play on that, and prosocial behavior breaks down in many circumstances. We can see it real time all around us right now.

@Graylight we're seeing it now because of the environment we live in where we've been brainwashed into believing that selfishness is normal and consideration for people is bizarre and weird

@Guitarman123 That's impulsion, relying on your gut feeling and going with the flow, We move as we're conditioned to.

But it's compulsion that drives feral behavior. Survival means fighting for food sources, breeding whenever possible, dominating other individuals and groups. It's hallmarked by violence, theft, dishonesty. We are only as principled as our resources allow us to be. There'a a reason a poor neighborhood in Chad is markedly more dangerous than a fine restaurant in Luxembourg. At the restaurant, you assume you can have your fair share and then some. In that Chad neighborhood, someone might as soon slit your throat and invite you inside when resources are scarce. Survival is not a choice, it's a primal instinct. Manners are not.

@Graylight so going by that argument, are you saying that as humans we aren't capable of reason or independent critical thinking? We are indeed products of our material conditions but it Shapes us all very differently. If those conditions necessitate reason and Co operation but you maintain the dog eat dog attitude then you are not gonna last long in those conditions

@Guitarman123 Man can aspire to levels shown to him, yes. He can elevate his own condition, but it often takes a guide or teacher or leader of some kind. There is a reason why primitive peoples are such; their natural tendency is to be as other creatures and down on the ground, survival of the fittest is the game.

Look around. In the absence of genuine leadership, entire communities feel free to act base and ignorantly.

@Graylight rarely a teacher, can simply be inspired by the surroundings to make a positive change. Primitive people lived in communal tribes where each member was treated with respect and none were left out. Natural selection means that those who adapt to their environment the best will have a better chance of surviving. Paris commune worked pretty democratically and zapatista have lived in Democratic communities for years

@Guitarman123 Look, I want to believe your side, and maybe in a month or two I will; but if I'm visiting the place to observe a species to determine its worth in the chain of life here? Humans get very, very poor marks.

@Graylight yes theirs plenty of examples of humans being vile and disgusting creatures but we are also equally capable of being good and rational people who'd never injure another person