Although I highly doubt it'll happen in my lifetime.

@ninalanyon like I said, probably not in my lifetime but If society truly wants to live in a fairer world the conforming to an exploitative system will only work against them

@Guitarman123 It will never happen because the good guys have to band together to prevent the bad guys taking over. That means you need rules and someone to do the organizing. Even if those organizers are democratically chosen they are still a governing body and they have to be given power in order to be able to react in a timely manner to internal and external threats. Even the Ancient Greek democratic polities had governing bodies and in times of crisis they appointed a dictator for a limited term and gave them essentially unlimited power and resources for that time in order to be able to react rapidly.

Of course some dictators and some committee members don't like to give up the power that they were temporarily granted and fight to maintain it.

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It's seems obvious to me that a substantial minority does not wish to live in a fairer world even if they would personally be better off so long as some other group that they despise suffers more than they do.

@ninalanyon yes they did and until caesar were temporarily put into power but as far back as the animal kingdom mutual aid has existed as well in tribes and so fourth. Yes their should be a workers led government that exists solely as a transition towards a society where they would no longer be needed for society to survive

@ninalanyon everyone wants to live in a fairer society just that the ruling class creates a feeling of hopelessness and pacifies us all with shiny technology and entertainment media which hypnotises us into willingly giving up any sense of freedom

@Guitarman123 You contradict yourself. Or is the ruling class not included in everyone?

You only have to look at the behaviour of people like the poor in the US who vote republican and the shameful behaviour of people like Suella Braverman to see that there are plenty of examples of people who are perfectly happy with an unequal society, just so long as they can feel superior to or be better off than someone else.

@ninalanyon contradicting oneself is part of being human. Those who vote Republican do so because of nationalist views and want to maintain traditional values. They've been convinced that by doing so it maintains so called freedomm

@ninalanyon with people like that, it's further proof that we should begin stages towards a society without a government

@Guitarman123 Then you will be at the mercy of the wealthy which will be substantially worse.

@ninalanyon I'm already a member of the working class who are at the mercy of the wealthy class

@Guitarman123 And you want to make it worse by removing all the things that hinder the wealthy from treating you like property?

@ninalanyon how's putting businesses into the hands of the workers worse?

@Guitarman123 Who is going to do the putting? Only governments are capable of doing anything like that.

@ninalanyon the people themselves as its only them who can make any positive change as change from above isn't possible because it only benefits those who are in charge of the status quo

@Guitarman123 Then it will require a violent revolution. And that requires organization and a command structure which in turn will be reluctant to give up power once the revolution is over.

@ninalanyon not necessarily. A more developed country can achieve socialism peacefully. Yes a truly Democratic organisation lead by workers and voted by everyday people

@Guitarman123 I'd love to be proven wrong but I can't see it happening. Too much of the electorate is willing to vote against its long term interest. Look at how many poor Americans vote for republicans and how UK voters voted against electoral reform when given the chance to get rid of first past the post elections.

@ninalanyon and that's why people need educating as to improve their knowledge on not only political history but their present material circumstances. Once you realise that you live in conditions that alienate and exploit you then you're more likely to take action, especially if you meet like minded people

@Guitarman123 And who is going to organize that education? When I was at school, sometime in the stone age, we didn't study contemporary society at all until the age of 16 and then it was optional. Perhaps things are better now, but I doubt that the defects of society get much attention even now unless they can be framed as something that our primitive ancestors put up with that no longer concerns us.

In the current climate in the UK where young people worry about paying the rent on the income from their zero hours contract I doubt that there is much appetite for requiring everyone to complete the International Baccalaureate.

@ninalanyon by keeping workers and young people in these current conditions all that's gonna happen is increased depression and stress whilst the ruling class keeps making massive profits. Increasing education and learning the dark parts of history can help people avoid to make the same mistakes

@Guitarman123 I agree that education is a prerequisite but only a sympathetic government can make it happen.

@ninalanyon if its a truly Democratic government lead by the workers then it would stand a chance