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Conservatives don't understand Marx

Conservatives and Neo - liberals are more likely to caricature and make fun of Karl Marx’s writings and beliefs than offer serious rebuttals to his many ideas. Why? Because Marx’s insights expose deep inconsistencies in cherished right-wing doctrines.

If you want to anger a conservative, just try arguing that Karl Marx might have something worth saying. Or worse, suggest that a man who wrote numerous volumes on everything from German philosophy to the standard assumptions of classical political economy might have a more nuanced theory than “rich people bad, poor people good.”

Yet several decades after the Cold War, plenty of right-wing pundits still can’t be bothered to offer rebuttals to Marx that go beyond glib denunciations. Jordan Peterson has described Marxism as an evil theory and made his name bashing “postmodern neo-Marxism,” despite admitting during one debate that he hasn’t read much more than the Communist Manifesto in the past few decades.

In his book "Don’t Burn This Book" Dave Rubin lumps in socialism with Nazism and fascism by claiming Benito Mussolini was “raised on Karl Marx’s Das Kapital” — ignoring Il Duce’s later efforts to imprison and silence Marxists and other “enemies of the nation.” And most recently, Ben Shapiro’s "How To Destroy America in Three Easy Steps" recycles old tropes about the “nonsense” of Marx’s labor theory of value, while ignoring the irony of praising John Locke for “correctly pointing out that ownership of property is merely an extension of the idea of ownership of your labor; when we remove something from the state of nature and mix our labor with it and join something of our own to it, we thereby make that property our own.”

This tendency to criticize Marx without actually engaging his ideas is especially rich considering Peterson, Rubin, and Shapiro endlessly parrot clichés about the importance of hard work and spirited debate. An easy way to dismiss them would be to just insist they live up to those lofty standards in between appearances on PragerU.

I suggest that conservatives avoid seriously dealing with Marx’s work not just because he was critical of capitalism, wrote some polemical things about religion, or was suspicious of class hierarchy. It is because Marx’s writings reveal deep inconsistences in cherished conservative doctrines.

A go-to argument of conservatives is to dismiss Marx’s “theory of human nature”: either Marx was dangerously naive about the human capacity for evil and selfishness — which shows why his ideal classless society turned out to be such a bust in practice — or he believed that there was no human nature, that we are infinitely plastic beings that could be made and remade by a sufficiently rational and powerful state committed to utopian planning.

Both of these claims are nonsensical. From his early ruminations about our “species being” determined by nature, to his later psychological ruminations about how our desire for recognition and status spurs “commodity fetishism,” Marx was neither utopian nor naive about our potential for hypocrisy, cruelty, and hedonism. Where Marx was innovative was in showing how the historical and economic conditions around us play a major role in shaping our sense of self and behavior.

This doesn’t mean we are purely determined by historical context. But Marx argued that the historical and economic conditions we’re born into provide the starting point we all must navigate. As he put it in The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Napoleon, “men make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they do not make it under self-selected circumstances, but under circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past.”

Parts of this argument should actually appeal to many conservatives. From Edmund Burke to Roger Scruton, a common right-wing complaint has been that radicals portray humans as ahistorical beings that can be understood purely as atomized individuals. Instead, they stressed, every human is embedded in layers of community, with hallowed traditions and morals shaped through history and institutions, including churches and temples, nations, and even “Western civilization.” These “little brigades” affect how we think of ourselves and what we believe.

Conservatives often insisted that ignoring the importance of these historical communities could only lead to disaster. Marx would certainly agree. But he would add that we are also embedded in a historically distinct economic system that profoundly shapes who we are and what we believe.

It’s on this point that many of the same conservative commentators that insist on applying a historical and institutional lens to understand human behavior and communities become ahistoricists. They insist that capitalism simply flows from human nature, that it has always been around and therefore always must be, and that any effort to change it can only yield disaster, as surely as demanding fish ride bicycles
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helenS · 36-40, F
@HoraceGreenley One of dictator Pinochet's advisors.
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@helenS that doesn't make him wrong
Gloomy · F
@HoraceGreenley Here is the problem. Economics looks at an economy with a certain viewpoint. If the goal is a growing economy with lots of trade and the opportunity for some people to become unbelievably wealthy, then capitalism is the way to go. GDP, median income, stocks, employment numbers tell us how good a country is at producing wealth. If the measure of a good economy is people having access to basic needs and a high quality of life, then we have a different situation. GDP can be pushed by working people more hours. Stocks can gain value by lowering the quality of medical benefits. Median income can mean a lot of people are doing really well, and a lot of other folks doing horribly. It all comes down to values. If we care about stocks and GDP, but are not worried about quality of life, then capitalism works pretty well. If we think the economy should serve the needs of the larger population, then capitalism leaves a lot to be desired.

Also the statement is simply untrue.

Richard Wolff for example obtained his econ PhD from Yale and he is a Marxist.

Anwar Shaikh obtained his econ PhD from Colombia U and he is a Marxist.

Similarly, Yanis Varoufakis, PhD in Economics from University of Essex.

The above are just some currently publicly active and very famous guys. Many more less famous are working in the academic field. Check out the large literature on heterodox economics. A large fraction of them are socialists, communists, or Marxists.
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@Gloomy Just because someone gets a PhD does make them right. They are plenty of PhD's with
They got their degree from like minded people.

You're ignoring the central fact that capitalism increased people's standard of living. As I said it's the only system that elevated a majority of people out of poverty. This is what matters.

This fact cannot be challenged.

The things you cite are mentioned by people who are jealous of the wealthy. If you want to do the greatest good for the most people Capitalism is the only moral choice.
Gloomy · F
@HoraceGreenley rapid climate Change, neo colonialism of third world countries, a growing wealth gap, healthcare system in the US that drives people into poverty, large homeless numbers, suicide nets to prevent workers from committing suicide .... yeah capitalism for the win
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@Gloomy Other economic systems are worse at all these things. You focus on your perspective of the perceived shortcomings of capitalism because you live in that system.

Other places with other systems are far worse. You just don't perceive it because you don't live there.
Gloomy · F
@HoraceGreenley Not just mine they are observable.
There are barely any systems outside of global capitalism these days and don't try to make the argument China is communist because it clearly isn't.
HoraceGreenley · 56-60, M
@Gloomy Capitalism has overtaken all other economic systems because it reaises people's standard of living out of poverty.

My point is in the review of history, which includes socialism, commnunism, etc., none has done as good a job as capitalism for reliving poverty.

This is the reason it dominates today's world.