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New York Becomes First State to Pass Legislation Banning Use of Natural Gas for Heating and Cooking



The Biden Regime said reports claiming they were seeking to ban gas stoves was a conspiracy theory.

Chuck Schumer went out of his way to chastise those concerned saying, “Nobody is taking away your gas stove.”


The Gateway Pundit reported that earlier this year, the US Consumer Product Safety Commission said gas-powered stoves are a ‘hidden health hazard.’

Although Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm mocked the millions of Americans concerned about the federal government’s plans to put restrictions on gas stoves, she admitted the Biden Regime wants to ban “some” gas stoves.

Now, New York State is banning the use of natural gas for heating and cooking in some new buildings.

According to The New York Times, “The provisions will require new buildings to be constructed with only electric hookups for appliances and utilities beginning in 2025. The law will go into effect for buildings with fewer than seven stories beginning in 2026. The requirements will kick in for taller buildings by 2029.”

[b][i]They can always go after single home dwellings later. Geez - the left sucks.[/i][/b]
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wildbill83 · 36-40, M Best Comment
I wonder if any of the advocates of these bans are even remotely aware that LNG isn't just used for cooking stoves, but it's also the primary energy source for hvac (heating and cooling), water heating (tankless/on demand systems), and backup/emergency power generation. And by primary, I mean 80-90% of all industrial & commercial buildings

of all the commercial heating methods, LNG is the most efficient & cost effective; whereas electric furnaces & electric baseboard heating are the least efficient and most expensive

gas stoves are 300% more energy efficient than electric stoves, and they're quicker as far as heat up and cool down times; they're also simpler & last longer than electric stoves.

Electric is fine in rural areas, where energy production is abundant & usage low, and the grid load is minimal & consistent. It becomes problematic in urban areas where energy supply can barely keep up with demand, and massive load shifts (like a bunch of AC units all turning on at the same time) completely overwhelm powerlines and substations (they simply can't react quick enough to maintain current), hence brownouts/blackouts; or the lines themselves can't carry the required current (this is why your breakers trip when you try to run something that requires a lot of power on a long extension cord, especially multiple tools/appliances on a splitter/single receptacle)

There simply isn't enough electrical power available to make 100% electric practical. And "green" energies like wind and solar don't counteract any of the shortfalls either. Hydro, Nuclear, Coal, LNG, etc. power plants rarely run at 100% capacity all the time, they keep turbines/generators in reserve for redundancy and increased demand/peak loading (i.e. they can "ramp up" production to meet energy demands on a grid)

for all intensive purposes, solar and wind operate at 100% all the time, contingent on available sunlight & wind, there is no self contained redundancy nor power available for increased loads (instead they buy power from competitors that use alternate energies, & usually at a premium). And other than hydroelectric & pumped storage hydropower (pumping water into a reservoir to use in gravity turbines later), there is no efficient means of storing "green" energy. Batteries are too size & cost prohibitive to use on a large scale, nor posses the required discharge rates for large scale usage/demand.

In the end, New Yorkers will pay more for more unreliable power, experience more brownouts/blackouts; and that LNG that they refuse to burn will just be sold & burnt elsewhere (which may actually reduce LNG prices for the rest of us), and while New York politicians are patting themselves on the back and expecting gratitude from their subordinates for "saving the world", they'll be selling their subsidized oil & natural gas that they no longer use, to other states, and make millions in the process...
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
thanks for BC... that ended up being more long winded than I originally intended... 🤔
Virgo79 · 61-69, M
@wildbill83 hey.... it was good long winded.
Don't know why people can't see that
Iwillwait · M
@wildbill83 Long...? Yes, but very informative.
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
I don't think most people can truly appreciate how the logistics/complexity of our infrastructure, especially in the modern digital world where everything is synergetic/systems that depend on other systems.

you change or remove one thing, it has a ripple effect on everything else, and often in unpredictable/unforeseen ways

a good example is the mass transition from biogradable consumer products (like glass and paper) to plastic after ww2. It was supposed to be the great new thing that would solve all our problems; Then 30-40 years later when it was piling up in landfills, no one had any idea what to do with it, no one planned that far ahead. we produce it and throw it away quicker than we could ever possibly recycle it (what is recyclable, much of it isn't), we became so dependent on it that we couldn't simply revert back to the old ways. a hundred years later, it's still a major problem that's still getting worse...

we're just starting to experience the same problem with used/retired solar panels and wind turbines, none of which last the 20-30 years that they claim (mainly due to the fact that their efficiency degrades so quickly that they can't keep up with energy demands). There's little to no market for 3-5 year old solar panels with 75% of their original efficiency, it's cheaper (and dirtier) just to produce new ones. So we're left with a bunch of solar panels that no one wants that cost too much to recycle, & wind turbine housings & blades that are impossible to recycle.

10+ years from now, we'll have the same problem with all the lithium batteries we're producing now. It's too complicated & expensive to recycle them, and they're considered hazardous/toxic waste, so we can't simply bury them in a landfill somewhere without causing more problems...

Call me a cynic, but generations of misery & waste seems like a high price to pay just so a few greenies can enjoy some short lived zero emissions in the here and now...🤔
Iwillwait · M
@wildbill83 I agree I have been complaining about the obsolescence of Soar panels and nothing, not one thing is recyclable on them, thus leaving a huge carbon foot print. Plastic will look like nothing compared to batteries and solar panels.
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@wildbill83 Apart from the upfront cost, heat pumps are far more efficient than both gas and electricity at heating buildings. All new construction from 2026 will use heat pumps for heating buildings, which will be subsidized heavily until prices come down.

Also, gas may be more efficient than electricity at cooking, but its efficiency pales in comparison to induction cookers, which, again, will replace electric cookers. Your post would only make sense if laws like that were introduced in the 1970s. Technology has moved on since then.

Sorry, this is just yet more railing against the fact that America is finally stepping up and meeting its obligations to combat climate change. Get used to it :)
SW-User
@Iwillwait [quote] Plastic will look like nothing compared to batteries and solar panels.[/quote] Utter BS.

Do you honestly think more waste will be generated from a comparative handful of batteries and solar panels (which can at least be salvaged to a certain extent, unlike plastic) than the combined waste of every single thing made of plastic that has been thrown away over the course of the last 80 odd years???

I don't think we'll be seeing "The Great Solar Panel Garbage Patch" in the Pacific Ocean any time soon...
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
@SW-User [quote]induction cookers, which, again, will replace electric cookers[/quote] Induction cooks are electric, or did you just assume they run on unicorn farts?

Heat pumps, also electric, are no where near as efficient as claimed. They're like refrigerators, they're good at maintaining temperatures when ambient/outside air is temperate; but their efficiency plummets in extreme weather (cold winters, hot summers)

It costs $30+ to recycle a solar panel, it costs $1-2 to send it to a landfill, so guess where they end up?

SW-User
@wildbill83 Induction cookers are electric, but far more efficient. Air source heat pump efficiency decreases during colder weather, you're right, but they're still far more efficient than gas and electric boilers. And of course, ground source heat pumps are unaffected by seasonal change.

Also, you think solar panels are going to be more of a problem than plastic sent to landfill? Hehe the world is changing. Sorry you don't like it :) Gas is out; renewables are in.

There's nothing you can do about it.😊
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
@SW-User sure there is, I'll keep burning wood in the winter and laugh at all those stupid city democrats in the winter when they have no reliable heat...
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
I could care less what the greenies do, as long as they stay in their woke cities & don't move down here when their bullshit fails...
SW-User
@wildbill83 Oooh someone's triggered🤭
specman · 51-55, M
@SW-User you are for giving our money to china? Most of solar panels are made in China.
SW-User
@specman Nice deflection. Are you going to stop buying your Trump campaign gear then? Most of that is made in China.
specman · 51-55, M
@SW-User I’m not deflecting , I was asking you if you were for supporting a foreign adversary that puts out more pollution than the US?

Made in America
SW-User
@specman Yes I am. Their emissions may be higher than ours at the moment, but our cumulative emissions and carbon footprints are far far higher. Plus, they are doing something to curb their emissions. And despite what you far-right nutjobs think, America is doing little, or nothing.

(P.S. I'm sure you appreciate the irony that that mug is Chinese made).
specman · 51-55, M
@SW-User You are anti American wanting to go to our enemy. A country that wants to topple the US. Now I’m sure that your opinions don’t mean anything to me. Solar power will not help us if we are toppled. We are not going to change climate change . We are among the few doing anything. China shows no slowing in their pollution. They are concentrated on changing the world order.
SW-User
@specman There we go. Typical far-right paranoid nutjob. Anything that is done to try and reduce emissions, no matter what it is, is part of the New World Order. We're done here. Oh, and...
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
@SW-User incapable of rational, logical arguments; so instead you resort to hyperbole and insults, typical marxism...

here, you dropped your hat...

SW-User
@wildbill83 [quote] I could care less what the greenies do, as long as they stay in their woke cities & don't move down here when their bullshit fails...[/quote] But I'M the one resorting to hyperbole??

And how am I supposed to engage in [quote]rational logical arguments [/quote]when the poster is ranting on about China trying to topple the US? 🤣

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wildbill83 · 36-40, M
@SW-User never said anything about politics nor Trump, but yeah sure, okay; start calling me a maga republican racist nazi, etc. now since that's apparently all you're even capable of. 🙄
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