Essay for today
This is an extract from an article published today. Here's the link. It makes for extremely interesting reading.
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/why-are-we-embracing-our-own-destruction/
This is an extract from an article published today. Here's the link. It makes for extremely interesting reading.
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/why-are-we-embracing-our-own-destruction/
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FragileHeart · 22-25, M
Things change in society and culture hasn't been homogenous ever since the globalisation process started. This "we" that is mentioned in the essay doesn't exist.
Framing societal processes as an "attack" that comes from within is a typical right wing narrative.
Framing societal processes as an "attack" that comes from within is a typical right wing narrative.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@FragileHeart I dunno, I think a lot of trans activists are extremely aggressive and uncompromising in their rhetoric and desires for society. I see plenty of people on the left more than happy to shame, demonize and demean those with whom they disagree...
FragileHeart · 22-25, M
@SumKindaMunster Yes but that's something that heats up the discourse, not impose things since trans people existing is simply a fact and the acceptance growing is as well.
When talking about the problems we face in the west naming trans people is a big ignorant in my opinion.
When talking about the problems we face in the west naming trans people is a big ignorant in my opinion.
WalterF · 70-79, M
@FragileHeart You don't appear to have noticed that the newly-cultivated doubt about sex, gender, etc., is only one small component in the overturning of longstanding moral and social values.
If it were the only problem we're facing, we'd be just fine. But it isn't. Check out the others mentioned. You could always read the full article.
If it were the only problem we're facing, we'd be just fine. But it isn't. Check out the others mentioned. You could always read the full article.
FragileHeart · 22-25, M
@WalterF
I kinda disagree. Not a collective identity but a collective consent on values of democracy, freedom and tolerance. People, especially younger generations don't want to be defined by some national identity and why should they? Cultural diversity is not a bad thing and when it comes to religions such as Christianity or Islam they should have no say on politics but can be exerciced freely.
Those of the colonial british Empire or the bit more recent conservative sexist kind of values?
For any nation state to endure there has to be a collective identity to which people feel they belong.
I kinda disagree. Not a collective identity but a collective consent on values of democracy, freedom and tolerance. People, especially younger generations don't want to be defined by some national identity and why should they? Cultural diversity is not a bad thing and when it comes to religions such as Christianity or Islam they should have no say on politics but can be exerciced freely.
longstanding moral and social values.
Those of the colonial british Empire or the bit more recent conservative sexist kind of values?
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@FragileHeart
I don't agree. First of all, I said "trans activists", not trans people. Second, criticizing their rhetoric and beliefs is not denying their existence, if anything it is confirming it.
Finally, and you will hear me say this a lot. If trans people and their allies want tolerance and acceptance, then they too need to practice tolerance and acceptance. It's a two way street. I see a LOT of criticizing, depersonalizing, and attacking of those that don't agree. Be the change you want to see in the world.
Personally, I don't see it as a big problem that needs the amount of attention it is getting, so we agree on that, but not for the same reasons.
Yes but that's something that heats up the discourse, not impose things since trans people existing is simply a fact and the acceptance growing is as well.
When talking about the problems we face in the west naming trans people is a big ignorant in my opinion.
When talking about the problems we face in the west naming trans people is a big ignorant in my opinion.
I don't agree. First of all, I said "trans activists", not trans people. Second, criticizing their rhetoric and beliefs is not denying their existence, if anything it is confirming it.
Finally, and you will hear me say this a lot. If trans people and their allies want tolerance and acceptance, then they too need to practice tolerance and acceptance. It's a two way street. I see a LOT of criticizing, depersonalizing, and attacking of those that don't agree. Be the change you want to see in the world.
Personally, I don't see it as a big problem that needs the amount of attention it is getting, so we agree on that, but not for the same reasons.
FragileHeart · 22-25, M
@SumKindaMunster In todays political climate trans identity is made political turning any trans person looking for protection and acceptance an activist.
But tolerating hateful rhetoric or people wanting to shame and ban trans people from public space would in turn destory any tolerance.
It's the same struggle gay people have partially won in certain parts of the world . Should we have accepted some people calling us perverts, groomers or disgusting back then? Had we accepted their language as just their opinion queer people would not have any rights or protection in society.
But tolerating hateful rhetoric or people wanting to shame and ban trans people from public space would in turn destory any tolerance.
It's the same struggle gay people have partially won in certain parts of the world . Should we have accepted some people calling us perverts, groomers or disgusting back then? Had we accepted their language as just their opinion queer people would not have any rights or protection in society.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@FragileHeart
Regardless of the reasoning, and I am not saying I agree with you here, the fact remains that trans activists are an intolerant and divisive movement and if they want acceptance, they need to accept others. For what it is worth, I don't have a problem with people choosing their gender, however, I must insist that my beliefs are respected as well.
Again, its a two way street.
Well then expect push back, criticism and intolerance then.
I'm pretty neutral on the issue, but I'm not going to support a movement that looks to destroy others for disagreeing with their beliefs.
You know what was different back then? Homosexuals didn't choose to start calling heterosexuals "breeders", demean their choices, or demand that people change their beliefs to match theirs. They simply wanted to live their lives as they saw fit. And society chose to accept that because we could see that they meant no harm and were just like anyone else except for that one thing.
It's a lesson that the trans activists should study.
In todays political climate trans identity is made political turning any trans person looking for protection and acceptance an activist.
Regardless of the reasoning, and I am not saying I agree with you here, the fact remains that trans activists are an intolerant and divisive movement and if they want acceptance, they need to accept others. For what it is worth, I don't have a problem with people choosing their gender, however, I must insist that my beliefs are respected as well.
Again, its a two way street.
But tolerating hateful rhetoric or people wanting to shame and ban trans people from public space would in turn destory any tolerance
Well then expect push back, criticism and intolerance then.
I'm pretty neutral on the issue, but I'm not going to support a movement that looks to destroy others for disagreeing with their beliefs.
Should we have accepted some people calling us perverts, groomers or disgusting back then?
You know what was different back then? Homosexuals didn't choose to start calling heterosexuals "breeders", demean their choices, or demand that people change their beliefs to match theirs. They simply wanted to live their lives as they saw fit. And society chose to accept that because we could see that they meant no harm and were just like anyone else except for that one thing.
It's a lesson that the trans activists should study.