Chose your preferred answer on these two smug individuals

@ArishMell On the left, Tedros (to cut it short), who is head man at the World Health Organisation. Despite not being in any way qualified, he is the one who will decide, from next summer on, that any medical epidemic may be called a pandemic, and that certain medical measures (injections, masks, etc.) are necessary. With the signing by all countries of the forthcoming Pandemic Treaty, he will be given all power over all humanity, regardless of government positions or individual situations, and we will all have to do as he says. - If it's any consolation, his role model is the Chinese Communist Party system.

On the right, Bill Gates, who never completed any course of higher study, but by wheeler-dealing wormed his way to the top of the computer software industry. Friend of Epstein. Into vaccines, as they give a 20:1 return on investment, and, he declared, can be used, along with birthcontrol, to reduce the world population.

@WalterF

Yup, this just may be the end of humanity as we know it. We don't have much time left.

@WalterF Oh, right; well I don't think either will do as much damage as you think!

The head of the WHO does not need be a doctor, any more than, say, the head of First Group needs be a former bus or train driver. These are primarily managerial and (in the UN and its bodies) diplomatic posts.

I'm not sure I see a connection between reducing the population and vaccinating people against diseases that might help do that.

Other than that, although I do not like the business models of Microsoft and the other giant American firms that have taken over the Internet, I rather admire Bill Gates for the fact that despite his apparent lack of high-level academic qualifications he succeeded in developing the product and founding a major business on it. I try not to be jealous of those who achieve their aims, major or modest, academic or not, professional or social; but it is hard not to be sometimes!

@ArishMell The most unnerving thing is the Pandemic Agreement, which will happen next summer. It will, as I said, give businessman Tedros the unchallengeable right to tell you and me and 8 billion others what medical measures we must take, depending on his whim. This is fact. It is petrifying - no?

@WalterF He might try but it would still be up to national governments to decide what they think best for their countries. I am not saying they will always get it right, but if it's a choice between a jab and mask or even social restrictions; and potentially very unpleasant, possibly fatal, illness I think I will put my physical health first.

Covid will never go away. Other diseases will find us.

So what would you have us do just because you don't like WHO and µSoft?

Hope the virii they don't get you and I while they reduce the rest of the world's population to infectious wrecks - or corpses?

@ArishMell Sorry, that's wrong! All individual governments have already agreed to this! It's part of the one-government rule that nearly all countries want to see coming. I repeat: this man Tedros will decide. If he says, everyone must now get 3 measles jabs, there will be no way out! It must be done! Sunak will have no say!

Disbelieve this at your peril! Check it out on the WHO website.

@WalterF The WHO's decisions formulated by its managers, are based on advice from doctors and biologists.

An international treaty to deal with an international problem - such as "new" infectious diseases introduced by human abuse of the natural world, and spread by huge numbers of people travelling world-wide necessarily or not - is one thing.

A single "government", which might be your main fear, is quite another.

People, including politicians, are too proud of their countries and individual cultures, for that to work. Even the EU is floundering and that is largely a economic (though not economical!) pact between only about two dozen countries it does recognise as having of overlapping but not identical, interests and societies.

Also of course, part of the purpose of vaccinations is helping reduce the spread of a disease. If you don't want vaccinations against Covid - or measles, which is also potentially very dangerous - should we also stop the long-established vaccinations against diptheria, TB and polio?

@ArishMell I fear you are avoiding the question.

Are you happy that this non-medical China-emulating businessman should be the one to dictate without fear of contradiction what every individual must do to contribute to world "bio-health"? If, for example, he decrees that everyone must wear three masks, then everyone must do that. There will be no alternative.

That is the provision of the Pandemic Treaty, soon to be made universal law.

This is the same chap who, in a WHO top committee vote earlier this year on whether or not to declare monkeypox a pandemic, found that the vote of 6 to 9 against was too close, and, because of this dangerous closeness, took the incredible (credible if you're a Chinese communist) step of taking the deciding vote himself: that it WAS a pandemic. (Unfortunately for him, it seems to have fizzled out somewhat.)

So this scruffy, unkempt, unqualified, Chinese-appeasing businessman intends to remove my bodily autonomy, according to his whims.

I will not be complying. You?

@WalterF I am not trying to avoid any question.

The chap's personal appearance or professional background are not relevant; but though governments do take notice of WHO and local medical advice I don't see his ideas really being effective law around the world!

No, I would not like to be dictated to out of hand, any more than you do, but I don't fear the United Nations, of which the WHO is a part, as much as you do.

@WalterF With Gates you might have a point. Myself I have issues with his involvement in distribution of the vaccine to other countries.


But with Tederos your claims about him are just flat out false.

[quote]n 1986, Tedros received a Bachelor of Science degree in biology from the University of Asmara.[15] He studied at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine and was awarded a Master of Science degree in immunology of infectious diseases from the University of London in 1992.[7][16][9] In 2000, he earned a Doctor of Philosophy in community health from the University of Nottingham for research on the effects of dams on malaria transmission in the Tigray region.[17]
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Also decisions made by the WHO are not arbitrarily made by one man despite your conspiracy theory claims.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Thank you for that.

I didn't know Tedros' c.v. either, so rather took at face value Walter's claim of him being an administrator not a scientist.

Though I did and still do take Walter's conspiracy accusations against the WHO and Tedros individually, with a very large pinch of NaCl.

@ArishMell He did get one thing right though. Bill Gates is a bit harder to justify for his involvement in vaccine distribution. In fact you could argue he is holding it up because he is so into making sure patents of Big Pharma are intact.

None of it adds up to his claims though.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow I had wondered what Bill Gates' involvement is. Does he have big shares holdings in the medicines industry?

@ArishMell I think alot of it for him is ideological. I mean patent trolling is something that was huge at Microsoft under his direction. But his Gates Foundation also is mixed up in all kinds of things so he probably makes money somewhere through that too.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Yes, I see your point. He led MS to become more or less a world-wide monopoly no-one yet has managed to break to any significant extent; and with results probably not foreseen when IBM invented 'Windows' and the Internet was not yet here.

I know his Gates Foundation is meant to be charitable but many major charities are very much businesses in so far as although having no shareholders, they still ensure their top management pay and general overheads swallow far more of the income than is used for the stated aims.

@ArishMell I repeat, last time: the WHO has persuaded all governments (including, with much more difficulty, canny African leaders) to sign over to the WHO full indisputable rights to dictate worldwide national and individual behaviour in any medical "crisis" situation. (And given that we are only at pandemic no. 1 in what they call "the decade of pandemics", there wil be plenty more to come.)

In other words, the WHO will issue a command, and we will all be compelled to do it, agreeing or not.

It will be compulsory. End of individual choice. No way round it. Tedros wins. We lose everything.

I don't have any more to say on this.

@ArishMell For sure. Although the dumbest company in the computer age was Xerox. They basically invented the modern PC and just gave everything away.


And that is why I said he might be making money elsewhere. Charitable foundations in the US are notorious for being opaque, murky messes to untangle.

@WalterF I see you own stocks in Alcan and other tinfoil companies. lol That makes no sense and is based on nothing but rambling on the internet.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Which of my remarks are you referring to?

@WalterF All of them. It is just ramblings from right wing conspiracy theorists online. None of it is based in fact or reality. The only accurate part you stumbled upon by accident is Gates's questionable credentials for his involvement in vacccine distribution. The rest is Q Anon bullshit.

You are no better than Alex Jones and the Jewish space laser lady.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Ok, I thought we were about to have an intelligent conversation, but clearly, intelligence is not one of your features. (It seems to me that I already reached this conclusion in past encounters with you.)

Nothing more to say, really. You are drunk on fact-checkers' opinions, blinkered by your mainstream media addiction, unable to see what's coming... Keep taking your meds - and above all, avoid all "internet ramblings" (whatever they are). In fact, avoid anything that might make you think for yourself.

I wish you well, nevertheless.

@WalterF You are spouting tired conspiracy theories. That is simply a fact. I am not the one with logical thinking issues.


And thanks for proving facts or evidence don't matter to you which makes this all a waste of time.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow You clearly have chosen to blot out of your consciousness the forthcoming pandemic treaty imposed by the WHO. Or, maybe your fact-checker friends have skilfully not brought it to your attention (I wonder why?)

@WalterF I choose to believe in science, medicine, and facts and logic. Not random lunatics online with zero evidence or credentials who don't even understand high school level science.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow I hope you're not talking about me - if you are, then under your judgment, I may feel obliged to give up my Master in Clinical Research group at the Sorbonne.... I'm sure Professor Simon would bow to your superior knowledge, and especially your Belief in Science, Medicine, Facts and Logic, standing firm as you do against "internet ramblings," with only a smidgin of political bias (not sure why you brought politics into it?)