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Britain has developed missiles that can reach Paris, says King Charles . .

Britain has developed missiles that can reach Paris, says King Charles . .

[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-12-11/turkey-greece-tensions-erdogan-warns-missiles-can-hit-athens[/URL]

Wait . . what? It's NOT Britain and France? It's Turkey trolling Greece? Two entirely different NATO members? Well . . . this changes everything. Nobody cares what bull$hit nations like Turkey say, right?

Actually, we SHOULD care. Turkey is a pariah among NATO members. Both Turkey and Greece were admitted to NATO 70 years ago, and have been bitch-slapping each other ever since. Turkey, you may recall, has been upping the ante recently by purchasing Russian weapons (good luck – they aren't working against Ukraine). WTF, though!!! How can you be a member of a defense pact whose STATED MISSION is deterrence of Russia, and be paying Putin billions for weapons incompatible with other NATO members?

I put this squarely on 'President Tayyip Erdogan”, who has been some combination of prime minister and/or president of Turkey since 2003. He not only fully embraces Russia, he's trying to implement an Islamic state (complete with scarf police); wipe out the Kurds. Boost Palestinian terrorists. Abduction and assassination attempts on Turkish expats living in the USA. And now . .. threatening a first strike against Greece?

Everyone wants to go to Greece at some point. Athens. The Parthenon. Those idyllic Mediterranean islands. Few rational people have a second honeymoon in Istanbul on their bucket list.

President Erdogan's stated reason for building ICBMs capable of reaching Athens? The Greek government “has too many troops in areas close to the Turkish border”. Yep – he actually said that. Remember, we're talking two NATO nations here. And countries about the size of Ohio.

Personally, I don't see either of them being worth much in the event NATO ever has to go into combat. In fact, Turkish leaks of confidential NATO documents are probably the reason why Putin “knew” that NATO would not defend Ukraine.

Kick Turkey out of NATO, President Biden. Don't convene a committee . . . you ARE the committee. Stop dicking around with WNBA basketball players and Musk-snarking. Turkey is a dictatorship and adds zero value to NATO.

Go see the film “Midnight Express” in case you missed it the first time around. These are our effing ALLIES? Get real . . .
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LegendofPeza · 61-69, M
'Kick Turkey out of NATO, President Biden.'

And how do you suggest he does that , considering that there isn't even a provision in the treaty to suspend membership rights, let alone expel an ally.
@LegendofPeza Lovely. Use "but bureaucracy doesn't allow for it" to excuse inaction. Would not be the first time.
LegendofPeza · 61-69, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow I'm not 'using' anything. I'm stating what the treaty allows.
@LegendofPeza Anyone who knows anything about history and foreign policy knows that just because something is not explicitly stated it can't be done. Hell NATO even violated it's own stated requirements for membership to admit Turkey to begin with. So even the stuff actually in the treaty are glorified suggestions.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@LegendofPeza The USA provides waaaaay more than 50% of the troops, money, and hardware for NATO. Money talks, bull$hit walks . . .
@SusanInFlorida Nice random statement. Not really relevant.
SusanInFlorida · 31-35, F
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow you're really not familiar with how foreign policy and money work, are you? You came to a gunfight equipped with a butter knife, lol
@SusanInFlorida Actually I am. You have proven conclusively you are not. Shawn Hannity and whatever Trump says on Truth Social don't count.
@SusanInFlorida and yet America is the one that begged for nato troops to fight and die because America was attacked on 911,
@Ryderbike Worse than that. When Canada refused to deploy Bush made his "You are either with us or against us speech" and they Bush administration actually retaliated economically to punish Canada for not deploying to a second pointless, endless war.
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow true, however iraq was not a nato mission.

Afghanistan was and Canadian troops fought and died because america was attacked on 911 ..all the while trump was attacking and insulting Nato members while limbs were being blown off. Did he thank any Nato members even once for their sacrifice? Nope.
@Ryderbike Even Afghanistan was a pointless and totally unnecessary war. It only happened because Bush wanted to look macho in the press and the polls.

Personally I think NATO should have been tossed on the scrap heap of history with the Warsaw Pact but that is another matter.
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow There were two world wars in the 20th century. There have been no world wars since NATO was formed.

That doesn’t mean it’s perfect but the alternative is unthinkable