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helenS · 36-40, F
In mild defence or Mr. Trump, he
(a) did not start another war at the other end of the world, like, for example, G.W.Bush
(b) supported Israel any way he could
(c) put more sanctions on Russia than any other president
(d) did not compromise when it was about Iran.
Not Mr. Trump's biggest fan, but what's true is true.
(a) did not start another war at the other end of the world, like, for example, G.W.Bush
(b) supported Israel any way he could
(c) put more sanctions on Russia than any other president
(d) did not compromise when it was about Iran.
Not Mr. Trump's biggest fan, but what's true is true.
helenS · 36-40, F
@LegendofPeza No it doesn't, of course. 😐
bijouxbroussard · F
@helenS
a) Iraq was a huge mistake, but—9/11, and few people on either side of the aisle were disagreeing with going to war "against terrorism". Trump would probably have embroiled us in a nuclear war.
b) Yes, even when they were involved in human rights violations. Israel the country has sometimes imposed racist and discriminatory laws (just like the U.S.)
c) Trump also had more personal connections with Putin, some of which we’re only now finding out about.
d) Trump scuttled a working peace plan we had with Iran, just because it was established during his predecessor’s administration. Trump said he made nice with Putin and Russia, because "an adversarial relationship wasn’t necessary". So why didn’t that apply to Iran ? Or Cuba, for that matter ? We actually had a cordial relationship with Cuba again, after over 50 years. Trump came in and destroyed that, also for no reason other than it having been established under Obama.
That’s the context of those facts.
a) Iraq was a huge mistake, but—9/11, and few people on either side of the aisle were disagreeing with going to war "against terrorism". Trump would probably have embroiled us in a nuclear war.
b) Yes, even when they were involved in human rights violations. Israel the country has sometimes imposed racist and discriminatory laws (just like the U.S.)
c) Trump also had more personal connections with Putin, some of which we’re only now finding out about.
d) Trump scuttled a working peace plan we had with Iran, just because it was established during his predecessor’s administration. Trump said he made nice with Putin and Russia, because "an adversarial relationship wasn’t necessary". So why didn’t that apply to Iran ? Or Cuba, for that matter ? We actually had a cordial relationship with Cuba again, after over 50 years. Trump came in and destroyed that, also for no reason other than it having been established under Obama.
That’s the context of those facts.
helenS · 36-40, F
@bijouxbroussard
Regarding Cuba I fully agree with you.
Trump scuttled a working peace plan we had with Iran
And rightly so. No peace with tyrannies!Trump said he made nice with Putin and Russia
What Trump said about Putin ("genius" and so on) is strangely at odds with the sanctions the Trump administration imposed on Russia.Regarding Cuba I fully agree with you.
LegendofPeza · 61-69, M
@helenS The stuff about Trump being tough on Russia with sanctions is an absolute myth. He was dragged kicking and screaming by Congress to eventually sanction Russia. And have you forgotten also that he was about to lift the existing sanctions on Russia , including the Magnitsky Act (the real quid pro quo for the election interference) , only because Mike Flynn's secret calls with the Russian ambassador were swept up by US intelligence , which then forced his resignation and the abandonment of the plan.
LeopoldBloom · M
@helenS Trump scuttled a working agreement that limited Iran's acquisition of nuclear weapons. Now those limits are gone. I don't see that as promoting "peace." Are you saying that because Iran is a "tyranny," we shouldn't enter into any agreement with them to limit their aggression? You said "no peace with tyrannies;" does that mean you think we should declare war on them?
The current Iranian government is very unpopular and may even be on the verge of collapse, but starting a war with them would be a great way to unite the Iranian people behind their government.
The current Iranian government is very unpopular and may even be on the verge of collapse, but starting a war with them would be a great way to unite the Iranian people behind their government.