There was no red wave
It looks like the Democrats did much better than expected. We can thank Sam Alito for the execrable Dobbs decision, and Donald Trump for pushing a bunch of terrible candidates.
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Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
"It looks like the Democrats did much better than expected. We can thank Sam Alito for the execrable Dobbs decision..."
Yes, we probably can.
And if the Supreme Court had been as corruptly partisan as, say, the FBI, they would have held off on Dobbs until after the election.
justanothername · 51-55, M
@Thinkerbell So are you saying that the many Republicans who work for the FBI are corrupt? Because that’s not a good look for you.
ElwoodBlues · M
@Thinkerbell Actually, the Dobbs decision was released in late June, four months removed from the midterms. The DoJ policy is 60 days or less prior. SCOTUS, intentionally or not, adhered to the DoJ policy.
LeopoldBloom · M
@Thinkerbell It was on the calendar. They couldn't have held off. It's not like Alito or Thomas are in any danger of losing their jobs if the Democrats control Congress. They wanted to allow abortion to be outlawed and that was their sole consideration.
Interesting how conservatives never complained about the FBI until the Mar-a-Lago raid. It's like they define "corruption" as not kowtowing to Trump.
Interesting how conservatives never complained about the FBI until the Mar-a-Lago raid. It's like they define "corruption" as not kowtowing to Trump.
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
@LeopoldBloom
They couldn't have held off on Dobbs?
And who, pray tell, sets the Supreme Court's calendar? God, perchance...? 🤔
Utter nonsense.
They complained about the raids against Roger Stone, Rudy Giuliani and James O’Keefe, for example, not to mention the FBI's filing of false FISA court affidavits after they had every reason to know the Steele dossier was fake. 🙄
"It was on the [Supreme Court's] calendar. They couldn't have held off."
They couldn't have held off on Dobbs?
And who, pray tell, sets the Supreme Court's calendar? God, perchance...? 🤔
"Interesting how conservatives never complained about the FBI until the Mar-a-Lago raid."
Utter nonsense.
They complained about the raids against Roger Stone, Rudy Giuliani and James O’Keefe, for example, not to mention the FBI's filing of false FISA court affidavits after they had every reason to know the Steele dossier was fake. 🙄
ElwoodBlues · M
@Thinkerbell
hey had every reason to know the Steele dossier was fake.
Actually, the FBI (and later Mueller) were able to corroborate PARTS of the Steele Dossier, such as claims that Russian operatives had worked in the 2016 election to benefit Trump and to damage Hillary's campaign. Is there any question whatsoever that the stolen DNC emails published on wikileaks were stolen by and provided by Putin's agents?? Of course the most salacious claims in the Steele Dossier are unsubstantiated. But that doesn't negate everything in the Steele Dossier nor render it "fake."
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
@ElwoodBlues
Big deal.
No one doubted that the Russians tried to interfere in the 2016 election, but the main point of the "investigation" was to try to nail Trump, or at least his campaign, for colluding/conspiring with the Russians, something the "investigation" signally failed to do, and Mueller ended up making an abject fool of himself for 6 hours on national TV.
Big deal.
No one doubted that the Russians tried to interfere in the 2016 election, but the main point of the "investigation" was to try to nail Trump, or at least his campaign, for colluding/conspiring with the Russians, something the "investigation" signally failed to do, and Mueller ended up making an abject fool of himself for 6 hours on national TV.
ElwoodBlues · M
@Thinkerbell the Mueller Report has about 200 pages of documentation of different ways the Kremlin aided the Trump campaign. It also documents at least 80 meetings between Trump campaign operatives and Kremlin agents.
Accepting campaign donations from foreign powers - even "in kind donations" is actually illegal. The Trump campaign was undeniably aided by Russia, and Mueller subpoenaed communications from the Trump campaign to get more details, but was blocked and stonewalled. People who stonewall every question and block every subpoena might, just might, have something to hide.
In the end, Mueller was not allowed to indict Trump according to his DoJ orders, and Trump, using his presidential powers, successfully stonewalled every question and blocked every subpoena about his campaign's Russia connections.
Regardless, for the foreseeable future, you guys are stuck with Trump as your leading candidate. I hope you enjoy that state of affairs as much as I do!!
Accepting campaign donations from foreign powers - even "in kind donations" is actually illegal. The Trump campaign was undeniably aided by Russia, and Mueller subpoenaed communications from the Trump campaign to get more details, but was blocked and stonewalled. People who stonewall every question and block every subpoena might, just might, have something to hide.
In the end, Mueller was not allowed to indict Trump according to his DoJ orders, and Trump, using his presidential powers, successfully stonewalled every question and blocked every subpoena about his campaign's Russia connections.
Regardless, for the foreseeable future, you guys are stuck with Trump as your leading candidate. I hope you enjoy that state of affairs as much as I do!!
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
@ElwoodBlues
Indictment by Mueller would never have been on the table; the only remedy (if Mueller had the goods) would have been a recommendation to Congress to impeach, as Mueller's predecessors, Cox and Starr did.
The difference is that Cox and Starr indeed had the goods, and Mueller didn't.
Mueller was such an embarrassment to the Democrats that they quickly buried him.
As for the "leading candidate," I would rather see DeSantis in that role.
But be careful what you enjoy. In 2016, the MSM enjoyed giving Trump a lot of free publicity to help him win the Republican primaries, thinking he would be the easiest Republican for Hillary to beat in the general election.
"In the end, Mueller was not allowed to indict Trump according to his DoJ orders..."
Indictment by Mueller would never have been on the table; the only remedy (if Mueller had the goods) would have been a recommendation to Congress to impeach, as Mueller's predecessors, Cox and Starr did.
The difference is that Cox and Starr indeed had the goods, and Mueller didn't.
Mueller was such an embarrassment to the Democrats that they quickly buried him.
As for the "leading candidate," I would rather see DeSantis in that role.
But be careful what you enjoy. In 2016, the MSM enjoyed giving Trump a lot of free publicity to help him win the Republican primaries, thinking he would be the easiest Republican for Hillary to beat in the general election.
ElwoodBlues · M
@Thinkerbell Actually, Mueller found 7 counts of obstruction of justice. Pelosi said she looked at the technicalities involved and made the political decision not to charge on those because all the complexities made it a tough sell.
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Funny thing: Cons conducted EIGHT (8) separate republican controlled Congressional investigations of Hillary Clinton from 2008-12. All EIGHT investigations EXONERATED Hillary, yet your average con pretends Hillary is guilty as hell. If you're letting Trump off the hook, why aren't you letting Hillary off the hook??
When Bolton described "obstruction of justice as a way of life" for Trump, he meant it literally. When Mattis called Trump a "threat to Constitution" he chose those words carefully.
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Funny thing: Cons conducted EIGHT (8) separate republican controlled Congressional investigations of Hillary Clinton from 2008-12. All EIGHT investigations EXONERATED Hillary, yet your average con pretends Hillary is guilty as hell. If you're letting Trump off the hook, why aren't you letting Hillary off the hook??
When Bolton described "obstruction of justice as a way of life" for Trump, he meant it literally. When Mattis called Trump a "threat to Constitution" he chose those words carefully.
LeopoldBloom · M
@Thinkerbell The Supreme Court grants certoriari to cases that come before them, and that's when the Dobbs case came up. If there was a conspiracy to make sure the decision was before the midterms, it would have involved the lower courts as well. Thinking that was coordinated to make sure the Republicans did poorly in the midterms is ludicrous. And the court releases the prior term's decisions in June - are you saying they should have held off until now? They've already started the new term.
And I'll correct myself - conservatives are only upset when the FBI goes after conservatives, although I never heard "defund the FBI" after Stone or Giuliani. If the FBI arrests Hunter Biden, the same people will be calling them heroes.
And I'll correct myself - conservatives are only upset when the FBI goes after conservatives, although I never heard "defund the FBI" after Stone or Giuliani. If the FBI arrests Hunter Biden, the same people will be calling them heroes.