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Substitute ‘Communist’ for ‘Patriotic’ education

Patriotic education is less about the specific curricular concepts that are featured in American history classes, and more about a philosophical stance that informs our approach, one full of explicit values and assumptions. It involves an audacious faith in America and tells the whole story of our past, which includes the bad with the good.
The Imaginative Conservative

Now, how to maintain that ‘values’ approach and teach the ‘good and bad’ aspects of the past when dealing with imperialism, theft of land, genocide, the subjugation and slavery of stolen tribes, segregation, the McCarthy era, civil rights fights, Vietnam, Japanese internment camps and the like?

Candidates and their sheep are calling for this - the ability to teach only what old white men in government would have us believe. We look back at our immigrant ancestors and tell stories of how languages and song were banned, of how the oppressors switched out a culture for their own, about the poor treatment of immigrants and the attempted bans on education - and we talk about how it’s all so different today. Is it?
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redredred · M
Every square foot of land on earth is stolen land. Every human is the descendent of a slave and a master. The common experience of humanity is to be subjugated in bondage to a government of some kind. Only in the last 200 years has this experience begun to change.
Graylight · 51-55, F
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redredred · M
@Graylight I forgot to whom I was responding. Let me try to find smaller words. All of humanity is living on stolen land. No one is particularly guilty of this crime. All of us are descendants of both slaves and masters. No one us particularly guilty of this crime.

Classical liberalism (that’s close to libertarianism and anathema to socialism) and a market economy has begun to free humanity from the bondage of statist governments.

Sorry about the big words.
Graylight · 51-55, F
Let me be clear to the student at the back of the class. The topic is Patriotic Curriculum and its resemblance To indoctrination. You can do extra credit for your pet tangent. @redredred
irishmolly72 · 56-60, F
@redredred The Judeo-Christian culture has a term for it: "original sin". We acknowledge it. We accept it and try to do better going forward. But we do NOT live in shame.
ilikeitlikethat23 · 61-69, M
@redredred what you say may be true, but why should we not teach it all? We learn from our mistakes or should we just keep on pretending no one died on the trail of tears or all of the horrible things that the world has suffered? Just like the russians are rationalizing its invasion of Ukraine like there is nothing wrond with it.
redredred · M
@ilikeitlikethat23 Go ahead and teach any common knowledge you think supports your politics. Be sure and mention the contribution these white people made.

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Graylight · 51-55, F
Good doesn’t cancel out the bad. Just because a serial killer is also an artist, it doesn’t mean burying bodies is okay.@redredred
ilikeitlikethat23 · 61-69, M
@redredred unless you knew these people personally some on the list were greek and middle eastern. Not white by the way Jesus wasnt white either no matter what people want to think.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@redredred You really didn't get the point. All this bullshit, and nothing that connects to the actual point. Even this r*tarded idea that education based in the real world, devoided of myths that make people feel good, will forget the contribution of white people? Where does it come from Red, are you really that insecure about whiteness? What a sad stupid remark to make. And being the r*tard that you are, you still dare to talk down to people that point out that you missed the point.
redredred · M
@Kwek00 Glad to see I hit a nerve
ilikeitlikethat23 · 61-69, M
@redredred typical cop out when faced with logical fact you cannot process.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@redredred Do you bottle your own farts for your enjoyment? Must be good to be this full of yourself that you can't even see how dumb you are when someone points it out.
redredred · M
@Kwek00 Nothing you point out is worthy of note, but your fart fantasy is sort of troubling. If I cared.
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irishmolly72 · 56-60, F
@Kwek00 Don't I at least get honorable mention??? 😜
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@irishmolly72 I don't know you Molly, but that one responds you made didn't make much sense. Maybe if you keep it up, you'll be there in the future.
irishmolly72 · 56-60, F
@Kwek00 A girl can only hope.
Northwest · M
@redredred you’re in luck. That list, is ALL they taught us, but were you asleep in class?
redredred · M
@ilikeitlikethat23 I can process facts but Kwe-Kwe doesn’t deal in facts, he screams for pity.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@redredred 🤣 That's not really impressive coming from a guy that uses sources too proof his point, but ends up debunking his own believes.
redredred · M
@Kwek00 “to” not “too”. Sorry to play grammar Nazi but with your pointless scribbling it’s about all that’s worthy of comment.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@redredred I understand man, when you are this r*tarded you need to have something to feel good about.
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