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The EU flag and its origin

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The EU flag consists of twelve golden stars arranged in a circle on a blue backdrop.


There never has been a satisfactory explanation for this flag design. When it was designed in 1955 by the council of Europe, this council consisted of fifteen members, and so the number of stars could not correspond to the number of council members. The number of stars could not represent the number of member states of the EU as this would mean the flag would constantly change as members leave and new members join.

The explanation given is that the number twelve is a number that represents perfection and unity, citing also that there are twelve signs of the zodiac and twelve apostles of Jesus. I do not think that this is a satisfactory explanation, as you could google "the meaning of" any number and you'll have sources telling you about how perfect every other number is. A search of "seven", for example, will tell you this is a number that represents perfection as there are seven days in the week, and seven days of biblical creation.

Therefore, I think there needs to be a much more tangible explanation. And I will provide a lot more information in regards to this explanation than any sort of mystical number claims.

In the pentateuch, Jacob's twelve sons Reuben, Simeon, Judah, Issachar, Zebulun, Benjamin, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Ephraim and Manasseh, unite to form "Israel" and each adopt the symbol of the star.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-twelve-tribes-of-israel#:~:text=Biblical%20tradition%20holds%20that%20the%20twelve%20tribes%20of,Benjamin%2C%20Dan%2C%20Naphtali%2C%20Gad%2C%20Asher%2C%20Ephraim%20and%20Manasseh.

These twelve tribes allegedly rebel against Jehovah, constructing a tower to reach to the heavens called the Tower of Babel. God becomes irate at this, and scatters the Israelites and mixes up their language. The scriptures use the word "tongue" for languages, a word we do not use in that context in the modern day. (Genesis 11:1-9)

There seems to be some sort of modern day attempt to re construct this scenario from the pentateuch. Pictured below is the parliamentary building of the EU, in Straussbourg, and next to it is the most famous painting of the fabled Tower of Babel.


Note the modern architects mimic the incomplete look of the original? The brochure for the EU also then copies the biblical language of "tongues" and alludes to the idea of the people's of earth coming together in similar manner to the way they did in Genesis.


To me, there seems to be a much, much more direct link to the symbology of the EU and its aesthetics, than any sort of vague numerical mysticism. However, the eyebrow raising coincidences do not stop there, if we go down this line of thinking.

The Tanakh contains what is known as the book of Esther, which is written on a scroll referred to as the 'Megillah'. This is the same book of Esther found in the Christian bible. In this book king Haman conspires to kill the Israelites, but his plan is foiled. As revenge, Queen Esther of the Israelites has Haman's ten sons hung. HIs daughter manages to escape. The passage suggests that there will be another hanging in the future. In the original Megillah, there is a footnote by this event, and the footnote reads '1946' (Tuff, Shin, Zain), in Aramaic (ancient Hebrew). Talmudic Jews celebrate this day as "Purim Festival"


1946 happens to be the date of the Nuremberg trials. The Nuremberg trial concluded with the hanging of ten high ranking officials of the NSDAP party. Just before execution, one of the NSDAP officials shouted "Purim Festival 1946!". An eleventh NDSAP party member, Goering, who family enjoyed cross dressing as a lady, escaped hanging by committing suicide the previous day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_executions

The "holocaust" takes its name not from any German word, but from two Greek words "holo" whole and "khaustos" burnt. In the context of the Israelites, a holocaust is seen as a burnt offering to Jehovah.


Noah offering a holocaust offering to Jehovah. It is a form of repentance. Interestingly, a burnt sacrifice as an atonement for sin is called "tshuva" and a hover beteshuva translates as "returning in repentance" Before the tribes of Israel are to be permitted by Jehovah to return to Israel, tshuva "two thirds of the people in the land will be cut off and die, says the Lord. But one-third will be left in the land.” (Zacharia 13:8) The Jewish population in 1939 was seventeen-and-a-half million and a reported six million perished in the holocaust. This is very close to a 1/3 survival rate. In the 23rd Zionist Congress, Weismann stated "we dreaded the impending holocaust" and "Six millions have been consumed in a great process of annihilation" so again this "consuming" by a fire. (https://www.jta.org/archive/full-text-of-dr-weizmanns-keynote-address-at-22nd-world-zionist-congress). "The fire will consume our bodies will be the fire by which the people of Israel will arise to a new life". (Encyclopedia Judaica, vol 16, Ketet, Jerusalem, (1972), pg 362). This lines up with the very next verse of Zacharia 13:9: '“And I will bring the third part through the fire, refine them as silver is refined". The Jewish Yearbook of 1912 states "Russia has since 1890 adopted a deliberate plan to exterminate or expel six-million of its people". https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/36832139-the-american-jewish-year-book-5672 Six millon seems a sacred number. I may make another thread for it.

I could write a lot more around this topic as I love learning about the Abrahamic religions and the history of the 20th century. But I'd like to see what people make of this post, first. Does this seem a more accurate background as to the origin of the EU flag?
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QueenOfZaun · 26-30, F
Why do I get the feeling that they decided on 12 stars just because they felt like it and it looked good.
pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
@QueenOfZaun Because you never read into the background so have quickly come up with an easy explanation on what "feels right" aka the simplest explanation.
QueenOfZaun · 26-30, F
@pianoplayingsteve Occam's Razor
pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
@QueenOfZaun Occam’s razor doesn’t really work like that. If that were the case, no one would ask anything. Everything would just be ‘eh I’ll go with that feels better ‘. I had someone who complained that I’d read books, he just wanted to smoke weed all day.
QueenOfZaun · 26-30, F
@pianoplayingsteve Occam's razor is about not jumping to conclusions and picking the simplest logical explanation. It has nothing to do with discouraging people from asking questions.
pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
@QueenOfZaun you immediately jumped to the conclusion that they simply ‘felt like it’. There’s Occam’s razor, and then there’s just being too lazy to have a contribution. It was such a case of them just going with what they ‘felt like’ despite the fact that there was a clash over the number of stars with several member states
QueenOfZaun · 26-30, F
@pianoplayingsteve I could frame your insanely needlessly complicated explanation in the same light. The simplicity in my response is the point.
pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
@QueenOfZaun it isn’t needless, you should look into the history of the EU. World leaders don’t just come up with something because they simply ‘felt like it’. Even the explanations they gave for it is more than that xD the circle comes from the crown of immortality as they say. Note both the flag and her garment is a deep blue
It’s okay though the world is very complex and chaotic and uncertain. People need a system and narrative by which to navigate the world and due to limited time and resources they can’t account for every possibility so they simplify things, everyone has a slightly different way of simplifying it but the result is the same.
QueenOfZaun · 26-30, F
@pianoplayingsteve You're assuming a lot there. But you seem to do that often enough.
pianoplayingsteve · 31-35, M
Arsene Heitz, one of the people who designed the flag came it took inspiration from the ‘Woman of the Apocalypse’ and cited the intentional creation date of the flag coinciding with the Feast of the Immaculate Conception. @QueenOfZaun Kalergi’s pan European design makes it even more interesting