David DePape, illegal immigrant from Canada

@Roundandroundwego Don't think so.

Illegal migration costs the American taxpayer approximately $132 billion annually, and could exceed $200 billion by 2025.
There are at least approximately 14.3 million illegal aliens in the United States as of 2019, a jump of nearly 2 million people since 2017.
In Fiscal Year 2019, the Border Patrol apprehended a near-record 860,000 illegal aliens nationwide, of which 852,000 (99 percent) were caught while attempting to cross the Southwestern border.
Illegal aliens are typically at least three times more likely to be incarcerated than citizens and legal immigrants.

https://www.fairus.org/issues/illegal-immigration

@RuyLopez And how much of that data has been adjusted for the churning -- repeat offenders coming right back after being returned to Mexico? And if you stack 99% of your border patrol resources on one border and not the others, guess where 99% of the undocumented entrants will be caught?

@dancingtongue Don't know. Maybe you could offer up that analysis. I think the number of churn as you say is so low it has no significance. Because most are allowed to stay anyway. So according to your logic if we moved all our CPB Patrol Officers along the Canadian boarder we would really find that over 3 million or so Canadian migrants fighting to get into the US every year?

Fiscal year 2022 ended with nearly 2.4 million migrant encounters on the southern boarder. That's equivalent to the population of Houston and it's the highest fiscal year ever recorded. Not including 600,000 known got-aways in a year. There were also 98 border patrol arrests of suspects on the FBI's terror watch list in fiscal year 2022. That's nearly quadrupled the five fiscal years combined...

@dancingtongue Why don't you admit what's obvious: you want all white people kept out of the country and NO non-white people stopped?

Your kind is nuttier than squirrel shit

@SW-User What I want is reasonable immigration laws that recognize if you want free markets, that includes free labor markets. So if you have jobs going unfiilled and you have people who want to work them because they are better than anything available to them where they live, then they should be allowed to cross the border to do them unless they truly have criminal records, contagious diseases, or other legitimate reasons to bar them. To have all the artificial barriers -- and the current laws are rigged in favor of white people; not neutral -- we have now helps create the problems we have on the southern border. We wouldn't have so many "illegal" immigrants working in this country if our economic system paid decent wages while making it illegal for the people willing to work for those wages come do them.

@dancingtongue Mountain if meaningless bullshit.

Immigrants
Must
Come
In
Legally

And the fact that Bidet has caught fewer of the trickle coming from the north DOES NOT mean he's doing a better job there.

This is just plain insanity

@dancingtongue So why not just put the factories in Mexico? Deep in Mexico or Central America where the people live. That way they the people won't have to upend their lives and risk getting murdered or raped to come to the US.

But not the maquiladoras program that clustered Mexican and Central Americans near the US borders where there was insufficient infrastructure and where people had to still uproot to get to those opportunities. And once they were there, they could look across the border at the US and see that welfare in the US paid better than working a 40 hour week in a maquiladoras factory.

@Heartlander Partially answered your own question there -- they are looking for more than just jobs; they want better lives for themselves and their children away from the corruption and cartels controlling things in their own countries. The other part is that the entry level jobs going begging that they are willing to do and 'Murican's won't are in the hospitality and home service industries, not factories.

@dancingtongue


I understand that. But then we are also importing the cartels and corruption to add to our own corruption and cartels. Some big American cities have comparable violent crime rates to those in Mexico and Centra America.

In a perfect world all of the Americas would be comparably safe, welcoming and non-threatened by immigrants.

@Heartlander The local cartels are more a product of our being the largest drug market going as a result of our equally ineffective approach to drug use and addiction in this country, and would exist regardless until we abandon the stupid War on Drugs and invest all that wasted money into education and treatment of the abusers. And if we had realistic immigration laws for the vast majority of those seeking entrance to build better lives, we could focus Border Patrol resources better on the cartel's supply lines and would stop helping create domestic versions of the cartels as a result of their treatment as "illegals" and "criminals" for simply wanting to go where the jobs are and create a new life for themselves and their family.