Liberal Democrats call on Biden to shift Ukraine strategy

@EvilEmily so, you oppose diplomacy and are ok with putin using nukes. got it.

@boudinMan i am ok with nuking russia into the ground and you dont use diplomacy with terrorist states like russia. either russia solves this internally or the world will eventually

@EvilEmily lol... you have no clue what nuclear war would do to the world do you?

@EvilEmily Russia has the biggest nuclear arsenal, why wouldnt they use it if we nuked them into the ground?

What do you think the outcome would be to us, them, you, me, Europe, and the rest if the world?

@boudinMan i know a lot better then you... and yeah, i am willing to sacrifice all that because a world in which people bow to terrorists like russia and putin isnt a worthwhile world

@TallMtnMedic o you are willing to let anyone with nuclear weapons get away with everything ? if russia decides to kill 10% of the world you ok with that cause thats better then all of the world ? you have no idea what the fruck youi are talking about.

@EvilEmily you're a real genius, you.

@EvilEmily Russis hasnt used nukes, they arent going to either as it would mean they are destroyed also - see "mutual destruction". No one wants to be the first one to launch, except those that need to kill infidels to get to their paradise.

Putins not going to bc it woukd be his end and his ego cant handle that.

Maybe, before you start calling others names or belittling anyone that disagrees with you (which mean you have lost your argument, btw), trying thinking outside your narrow little world.

@TallMtnMedic well you are a putin boot licker.. i have zero respect for anyone like you. anyone who supports that beasat putin deserves no respect only hatred

@TallMtnMedic i wouldn't be so sure about russia not using nukes... they're threatening to use tactical nuclear weapons, which most experts are saying should be taken seriously. they don't believe putin is bluffing.

@EvilEmily because i dont believe in destroying a world when no nukes were used? Yeah, that makes me a boot licker. You literally have no idea what youre talking about. Have you even traveled outside your hometown? Overseas? Anywhere other than Walmart?

@boudinMan Agree with you. I think he's looking for justification. As long as the rest of the world, China also, doesnt follow him lockstep, i think we're good. He's losing for now, i dont think his ego can stand that.

@boudinMan
We're not bluffing either, and that was made crystal clear to Putin.

@Northwest so, you support going to war with russia and risking all out nuclear war if he uses tactical nuclear weapons in that region of the world?

@boudinMan the moment he uses a tactical nuclear weapon the full arsenal should be unleashed on russia.. instantly.. no debate. just automatically

@boudinMan
Absolutely. If he believes, for on second, that we may hesitate, he will use his nukes in the Ukraine, and next in Poland, and next in Sweden, and next in wherever he pleases.

If he believes we mean what we say, and that part was made clear to him, then there isn't going to be a nuclear war. We communicated that down rank as well, to the generals in command.

If You Give A Moose A Cookie. It's a children's book. If you're not familiar with it, you should look it up and read it.

@boudinMan He wont limit it to that region unfortunately. Fallout doesnt just stay locally, we all will be affected.

So yes, I do actually support it if he uses them first. Do i want it to happen? Hell no.

@Northwest Mouse, not moose, but good post.

@Northwest i just find it amusing how the left, with the aid of the media, clamors about nuclear war when there's a republican president, but not when there's a democrat in power. they did it to reagan and to trump... probably both bush's as well.

i have no doubt that trump told kim jong-un in no uncertain terms that if he ever used nukes against us or our allies, he would be obliterated, and yet the left thought he (trump) was the mad man.

@MistyCee
There are actually two books. I meant Moose, but I used the wrong type of food. It's "When You Give A Moose A Muffin". There's of course, the "When you give a mouse a cookie".

@boudinMan
I'm sure you think you're right, but you're not, on all counts. But you start out with a straw man. Facts:

1. No one on the left is clamoring about nuclear war.

2. Reagan started out with the proposition that we can win a nuclear war. That's what the left opposed.

3. when there's a republican president. Huh? I'm sure you read this somewhere.


Again, another straw man. The left's position has been clear: you make it clear to KJU that if he uses nukes on our allies, he, along with his country, are history.

What the left objected, was the ridiculous love affair between Trump and KJU, where Trump gave KJU exactly what he wants: international attention, and an all-paid excursion at a 5-start resort. Again, I advise you to read the children's book, it may clarify a few things for you.

So, to sum it up, the left's position is, and has always been:

1. You cannot win a nuclear war.

2. You must show your resolve, by adopting a no first strike, but an all out commit in the case of one, otherwise, the other party will not take you seriously, and that will drive them into a misadventure.

3. There is no such thing as an effective first strike shield. The US, Russia, China, France and the UK, all have doomsday retaliation capabilities. The "right" has been duped into thinking that a nuclear war can be won. Your God, aka Reagan's SDI is a clear example of how easily you can be duped.

@Northwest I never saw the Moose/Muffin book, but I'm skeptical about feeding Moose. They're awfully big and have a nasty reputation.

@MistyCee
Where I live, you see them up close and personal. Yes, they are scary, hence the point of the children's book. ;-)

@EvilEmily Emily, no offense, but you're a blithering idiot. Do you think unleashing a nuclear strike against Russia would go unanswered? It would literally be the end of the world. Yet you admonish a couple others pointing out the obvious as and also as a yet you the one who is incredibly ill informed.

This is how the mindless clown at 1600 was elected.... 🙄 Morons.