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It is great that Britain has a person of colour as Prime Minister.

I don't like Rishi Sunak's politics at all but the fact that his ethnicity wasn't a barrier to him getting to the top is a good thing. I can't think of any major European country that has ever had a non-white leader. If you can, let me know in the comments.
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agetheweebeast · 41-45, M
To be fair though, he's a multi-millionaire, it's not like he's a salt-of-the-earth taxi driver/shop owner. What I mean is, despite his skin tone, he's basically white.
LegendofPeza · 61-69, M
@agetheweebeast [media=https://youtu.be/p9bbBYcwFOk]
agetheweebeast · 41-45, M
@LegendofPeza why do all MPs have speech impediments now?
Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M
@agetheweebeast A person of color becomes white if they are successful? Yikes.
agetheweebeast · 41-45, M
@Fukfacewillie haha you know what I mean, it's like Obama, he was hardly Jay-Z was he
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agetheweebeast · 41-45, M
@Fukfacewillie Well, I meant to be funny not offensive )
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@agetheweebeast
What I mean is, despite his skin tone, he's basically white.

A (non-white) Labour MP got fired for making this argument. I'm not really comfortable with this argument tbh. It would be even worse for a soy-boy like me to use it, with respect to other soyboys. I don't know of your ethnicity.

I think you can talk about the politics of race and its impact of it better. There is definitely a privilege to being white and whiteness is political. I understand (for example) the argument that Irish people in the UK have 'become white' and that there is definitely a racial hierarchy. You also get the likes of Prital Patel (herself of SE Asian descent) who relishes sending immigrants to Somalia and you know full well that her most strident supporters are not of her ethnicity.

I don't think you can remove someone's racial identity in a political critique though. You can say that he is on the side of the establishment/ruling class (definitely true) or that his political views reinforce racial hierarchies (arguably true) but I don't think you can say he's 'basically white.'
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@Burnley123 You called yourself a soy boy lol.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@Burnley123 I'm a soy girl too though, I like tofu. Not that has anything to do with your post.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@SatanBurger I've been called one irl at my debate group. I'm a nerdy white leftist so it fits. Though I don't actually drink soya milk lol.
BabyLonia · F
@agetheweebeast what a stupid comment.... because brown people are typically taxi drivers and shop owners and a successful brown person is basically white.

I am brown, my husband is brown

We are 2nd generation immigrants.

Our families...No-one drove a Taxi or even worked in a shop, they are all successful on their chosen professional careers.... and they are not basically white.
agetheweebeast · 41-45, M
@BabyLonia wow so sensitive. It was an obviously ironic stereotype but the example is legitimate. If it's considered a good thing that someone of an ethnic minority is in a position such as PM, I don't disagree, but they should be there because they represent and embody the typical values of the culture they represent. Otherwise, just saying it's good, based solely on their skin colour is incredibly ignorant and racist in itself. This is what annoyed me about people voting for Obama just because he was 'black', he was about as representative of the majority of black people who voted for him as Carlton Banks!
MartinII · 70-79, M
@agetheweebeast A Labour MP was suspended for saying something like this, You should be asof yourself
MartinII · 70-79, M
@agetheweebeast Well you weren’t funny and you were offensive.
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MartinII · 70-79, M
@Burnley123 Irish people are white!
BabyLonia · F
@agetheweebeast we are celebrating the fact that an asian british is able to become prime minister in this country. That is a wonderful credit to this country whether you are brown black white mixed whatever.
To go down the route of disgraceful stereotypes to try and put Asians and then defend it is just stupid.

Try and walk into any nhs hospital and find one without an asian doctor be it 1st, 2nd or 3rd generation
agetheweebeast · 41-45, M
@BabyLonia Fuck sake, my friend of 20 years is Asian, doesn't mean I have to automatically believe that another guy getting a powerful position is good, just because he is Asian. The person's race etc shouldn't be an issue, it shouldn't be a reason to discredit them or attack them but not should it be a reason to applaud them.
BabyLonia · F
@agetheweebeast "i have an asian friend" is not good enough
If he heard what you said he would be as equally as offended, i am sure.

No one is saying it is good because he is asian, what they are saying is look how far we have come as a country to have a PM that is not white. This fact is being celebrated by asians and whites and blacks.

So go tell your asian friend of 20 years what you wrote here.
RedBaron · M
@agetheweebeast The real issue is not Inotterwords' sensitivity. It's your complete lack of same.
@agetheweebeast
If Rishi were to lose all of his wealth from a nasty gambling habit, would his skin color return to basically brown over night?
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@agetheweebeast Do minority people have to be on the political left or they are 'basically white?' this is literally your argument here.

You can say that the left represent their interests more or that certain views are more typical but the argument you made is frankly just ignorant. People make mistakes but the issue is that you have been told what you did wrong (including by a person of SE Asian descent) and you doubled down on it. I'm embarrassed for you.
Fukfacewillie · 56-60, M
@BabyLonia @Burnley123 How is it that Britain's conservative party elected the country's first female and now Asian PM?
RedBaron · M
@Burnley123 His post is incredibly racist. He's saying that anyone who's successful is white.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Fukfacewillie First three female PM's. Every single Labour leader has been a white man. It's embarrassing for Labour at this point.