How do you come about with the Fascist thing? What are they doing that is Fascist? It looks like they are taking advantage of the United States Constitution, particularly the FIRST AMENDMENT. Tell us again why you have a problem with that.
Oh, are you trying to compare those raised hands with the Bellamy Salute? Do you even know the roots of the Bellamy Salute?
Looks like they are holding up their FINGERS. Tell us again how you somehow refer to this as fascist. Do you even know what Fascism is?
@Reason10 [quote]I provided a credible link for that FACT[/quote] You provided one cherry-picked quote of bureaucratic intent about death certificates, made by a person, Dr Birx, who has no power over those who fill out & register them. And your quote begs the question: how did this intent show up in the real world?
I provided six years of statistical death data that show what actually happened in 2020 is the OPPOSITE of what you claim. See below.
And you, adult that you are, seem completely unable to cope with the real data on deaths in the US. So now, instead of dealing with the FACTS, you are heaping up personal insults and generalizations, amounting to excuses for why you shouldn't have to debate the facts.
Let's get back on track, shall we? This, again, is the six years of statistical data you refuse to face:
Here in the table are US death numbers for the top ten causes of death for six years ending in 2020. Notice how there are 20% more deaths in 2020 than the average of the previous five years? Doing the math, that's 500,000 excess deaths in 2020.
Notice how, in 2020, 345,000 of those 500,000 excess deaths are classified as Covid? Notice how almost all causes of death rose in 2020, including cancer & heart disease?
If there's any validity to the claim that lots of deaths have been mis-classified as Covid, why did almost all causes of death increase in 2020? Wouldn't mis-classification produce a reduction in those other causes? The evidence says mis-classification is a red herring.
@Reason10 [quote]Birx was an expert. She was part of the Trump team, which was more competent than the idiots we have now. [/quote] Then you'll agree with her about how incompetently the Trump team responded to Covid:
[quote]In an excerpt from "Covid War: The Pandemic Doctors Speak Out," Birx said that while many deaths in the first wave of the coronavirus pandemic were likely inevitable, the lethality of later waves could have been greatly reduced if the U.S. had "mitigated earlier ... paused earlier and actually done" greater social distancing and shutdown measures.
"I look at it this way," Birx told CNN's Chief Medical Correspondent Sanjay Gupta. "The first time, we have an excuse. There were about 100,000 deaths that came from that original surge. All of the rest of them, in my mind, could have been mitigated or decreased substantially."[/quote] Yep, Birx is blaming the MAJORITY of our Covid deaths on Trump's failure to mitigate earlier; i.e. his first five weeks of LIES about Covid.
What lies, you ask?? Thank you Dr Birx, for underlining the magnitude of the cost in lives of Trump's delays in responding to Covid!
@Reason10 No evidence has been provided in 62 bogus court cases (so far) that allege fraud. You can say the earth is flat, and that the moon landing never happened, but if you can't show any evidence, it isn't true. That same thing applies to The Big Lie.
@Reason10 says [quote] Birx was an expert. She was part of the Trump team, which was more competent than the idiots we have now.
So her link is more credible than whatever left wing hack site you want to vomit on this thread.[/quote]
Funny thing: my data comes from YOUR COUNTY and YOUR STATE, and every county and state. My data is counting six years of actual death certificates and the causes listed on them, as published by every county and state in the union. And my data shows NO EVIDENCE of over-counting or mis-classification of Covid deaths. As you would plainly see if you took an actual look at it.
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Here in the table are US death numbers for the top ten causes of death for six years ending in 2020. Notice how there are 20% more deaths in 2020 than the average of the previous five years? Doing the math, that's 500,000 excess deaths in 2020.
Notice how, in 2020, 345,000 of those 500,000 excess deaths are classified as Covid? Notice how almost all causes of death rose in 2020, including cancer & heart disease?
If there's any validity to the claim that lots of deaths have been mis-classified as Covid, why did almost all causes of death increase in 2020? Wouldn't mis-classification produce a reduction in those other causes? The evidence says mis-classification is a red herring.
@ElwoodBlues Your data are a very strong indication that the number of covid deaths has been [b]undercounted,[/b] not overcounted. This is typical of pandemics and epidemics. It happened with the swine flu in 2009 as well (to a lesser extent). Evaluation of excess deaths from that epidemic after the fact resulted in officially increasing the number of US deaths due to the swine flu.
Lots of people believed that this short guy with a narrow mustache was a very good thing at one time too. Funny how time is needed for many to see the truth and still some never ever will. Such is human nature. Sadly.
@Ryderbike You'll need to provide a credible (read, NON LIBERAL SALON HATE SITE rag) to prove it. Either Manafort was lying or he never actually said it. Of course, the Nazi HATE sites (Salon, MSNBC, CNN, etc) have a history of lying and making up all kinds of stuff.
@2cool4school The people around Chaplin gave him all kinds of hell for even thinking of doing that movie. It was his first talkie. And at the end of the movie when he gave that long speech about people having to love one another, J Edgar Hoover practically busted a garter belt, he was so incensed. That was the beginning of the communist conspiracy theories against Chaplin. Ultimately it (unjustly) got him deported. Pity. Chaplin was one of the most amazing film makers in the history of the industry.
@Reason10 I only know a little bit your knowledge pool is broad and deep on some very interesting and important subjects. Thank you for sharing you’ve inspired me to not just look into some topics but also to see them through different lenses. I appreciate you for that. Thank you.
@Ryderbike Not when they are PARDONED by legitimately elected presidents. The pardon means no crime was committed. The left wing railroading of D'Souza was an injustice. All LEGALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT TRUMP did was undo the injustice. D'Souza was guilty of NO crime. His only offense was pissing off brain dead, entitled woke goose steppers. Trump merely righted the wrong.
@ididntknow Trump told the same lie three different times and the rubes fell for it every time. 1. Democrats stole the election
2. In 2016, after Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) won the Republican primary in Iowa, Trump accused him of stealing the election. “Ted Cruz didn’t win Iowa, he stole it,” Trump wrote. “That is why all of the polls were so wrong and why he got far more votes than anticipated. Bad!”
3. 2016 .Lied about voter fraud claiming he won the popular vote
I mean how much of a sucker you have to be to fall for the same con three times?
@Ryderbike Nope. I'm just smarter than you and every other liberal here. There are Florida third graders and up who are likewise better educated than you cretins. There is an advantage to living in a red state. Our schools are tougher but we come out better educated with a better work ethic.
