Newsflash: Trump Did Not Achieve Middle East Peace

@Axelerator
Great, but specifically, do you have a comment on the issues raised in this thread. How does that fit into your narrative? Specifically?

@Axelerator I think the Egypt-Israeli deal was a great step, but you don't remember that.

@Northwest i get that you're snidely glossing over my point, which doesn't even matter. This affects almost everybody in some way, you and me included. Whether or not anyone likes it is irrelevant.

As for a specific comment. The reason why i started out hard, is because of the way you set up the question. You are claiming that the Biden administration managed to pull off some great feat towards peace, where Trump Failed.
The problem with that, is that it's actually not a great leap for peace in the Middle East, and they both failed equally, just like countless others through history who fought over that region.
I hate to be a blackpill person here but most of it is for profit and for show. And Israel is definitely no angel if you look even a little bit into it, and the hypocrisy surrounding them is preposterous.
The United States has had the same foreign policy "style" almost from the get go, and it's an extremely aggressive and domineering one, that has literally no interest in peace, ever. Unless not having peace is a direct threat to the US or it's economy, or if there is more economic/territorial gain to be had through peace at the time.

That's why i'm saying, nobody wants peace, specifically no one of the major powers that would be needed to help it happen. Ever since the western powers discovered the middle east, they have been actively trying to influence, steal from and control almost every country in all of asia minor, and the world for that matter.
It may sound cynical, but i only care about the actual underlying truth. The fact that the truth sucks sadly doesn't matter for the result.

Remember people having been fighting heavily for this region for literally thousands of years. It's going to take huge changes to the mentality of everyone involved, to ever have a chance of lasting peace.

This is all possible, and i hope it happens someday, but for the time being, the people and countries who make the real choices, are perfectly content with the lack of stability, since the direct gains are so great. None of them are willing to take any risk, especially not a huge one, and lose their profits and influence, over a more stable future for the people there. Morality is of no consequence to such people, and they have no relation to the countless they hurt, disaffect and kill.

It ended up being a rant lol, but i hope you see my point

@SomeMichGuy Look at my comment above to the poster It's too long to type out, and no i didn't btw.

@Axelerator
You had a point? Sorry, I thought you were posturing. Having read your rant, yes, you're posturing.

Let's move the dial to the 21st Century. Yes, people want peace and that includes the countries involved, especially the US. And yes, the agreement the US brokered between Israel and Lebanon IS a huge deal. It literally stopped a war.

If you don't want to take my comment to MistyC for granted, you should probably research the subject on your own, and instead of posturing fluff, you may want to discuss specific issues, not 'they've been fighting for years'.

@Axelerator


Your comment, since it doesn't even remotely comprehend how we helped broker the agreement between Sadat & Begin--in a one-write process!--shows how little grounded in the *actual* history your remarks are.

We have tried to help where possible, cajole when needed, etc.

Carter succeeded and didn't want
recognition, just peace.

When Arafat still was around/head of the PLO, the Palestinians were offered the best deal they were ever likely to get...and they turned it down. At that point, it really seemed as though that confirmed that the Palestinian leadership simply would never accept any negotiated settlement, and that their years of complaining abput peace truly were empty words. I was astonished, saddened, and upset thst they were so...intransigent and unable/unwilling to transition from a group of fighters to a group of administrators having to meet to deal with water, waste, roads, electricity, housing...

I should probably see what Hanan(?sp) Ashrawi had to say about it, but it seemed as though a great opportunity was passed up, and that the tenor of Israeli-Palestianian interactions hardened--perhaps I should add "even further"--from the Israeli side.

While a series of powers have intervened in the Near & Middle East for millennia, you need to have a solid background, and getting basic geographic facts wrong (Israel & Palestine are/were never in Asia Minor) doesn't help your argument.