DeSantis Issues DANGEROUS WARNING

@Roadsterrider fact is I can shoot you and claim I was just standing my ground. Since you’re dead there would be no counter claim,

@Ryderbike I would have to be on your property first, or in a confrontation with you before that could play out. And being a responsible person and a responsible gun owner, I don't trespass, I don't loot, and you would have to be the aggressor in order for me to respond, so, in a nutshell, someone like you who might have nefarious intent, I am prepared to defend myself. The only way you would be ahead of me is if you already had a gun in your hand. And there are several studies one by the FBI, 90% of violent criminals fear an armed victim more than they fear the police or prison.

@Roadsterrider it doesn’t matter what you do. I matters what the bad guy does and if you’re dead you can’t tell your side if of the story.

Stand your ground laws are fundamentally unjust and flawed. That’s why sane nations don’t have those laws.

As far as taking you out, if I decide the time and place there is nothing you can do stop it.

Nothing .

@Ryderbike Abandoning what you have worked for to let some thug that decided that "might is right" walk away with your valuables is flawed. What valid reason is there that a normal person should let a criminal deprive that person of their property?

As far as taking me out, I have carried a gun for most of my life, through military, law enforcement and when not required to by my employer, I have carried one because I prefer not to be a victim. It really isn't a criminal I am worried about, I know how to avoid them. It is the folks who don't think a person should have the right to defend themselves that really worry me.

Throughout history, there has been only one reason to remove the ability of the citizen to defend themself and their property, and that reason has been to control the citizen.

Even the FBI has said that private citizens use firearms up to several million times a year in defense of themselves from murder, robbery, rape, child abduction, and the list goes on.

When seconds count, law enforcement officers are minutes away. If you are one of the sheep, you can't whine when you get shorn.

@Roadsterrider don’t lie about stats. FBI said no such thing.

You live in a violent shithole ..I get that.

Why wouldn’t you ..you sell guns to literally every nut job with a small penis in America .

@Ryderbike Here are some statistics from the Department of Justice, it is a little older that the FBI report and places the number around 40% if you care to read that far.
https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/Photocopy/97099NCJRS.pdf

If you must resort to insults, I will assume you have nothing intelligent to say. As far as penis size, I just measured it and I am absolutely average. About the violent shit hole, I have never been robbed, shot at or beaten up on my own property, nor in public so I don't really see it as violent or a shithole nor do the people from almost every country in the world who try to get here.

@Roadsterrider 40,000 people a year killed by guns in America. Year after year

Every single red state has a higher gun death rate than every blue state.

You’re a sh^Thole,

@Ryderbike Well, 25,000 of those who die by gunshot wounds are suicides, if guns weren't available, they would overdose or slit their wrists or whatever, they wanted to die, maybe a gun made it easier for them to go painlessly into the next world but guns are what suicidal people use if they aren't serious. So drop that number down to about 15,000 from gun violence. And a portion of those are shot by police in the commission of a crime, and a further number are shot by their victim that they are trying to perpetrate a crime on. But, sticking with 15K, in a country of 340 million, the chances of me getting shot are very slim, kind of like hitting the lottery.

Is 15,000 a lot, if I only consider the people I know and those around me, probably, but, 100,000 people died from overdoses last year. Almost 50,000 died in automobile accidents with about 4 million injured in car crashes. Another 250,000 die every year from malpractice or mistakes that health care professionals make. In 2020 40,000 people died from falling.

SO, to me, there are bigger fish to fry that gun violence.

You are intent on the shithole thing, at least I am not ashamed to list where I live.

@Roadsterrider suicides.

Yep

45secs

That’s the time a person goes into a depression serious enough to pull the trigger,

That’s why people that walk to bridges many times change their minds.

It’s why people that over dose on sleeping pills end up calling for help.

Guns drastically increase suicides.

@Ryderbike 85% of suicides occur in the home, maybe if we just made everyone homeless, we could curb suicides. Do you not believe in a person's right to do with their body and life as they see fit? I am not speaking about suicide from a point of view with no experience. My son attempted suicide battling drug addiction, to be honest, there are guns in every room in my house, and my son owns guns, he slit his wrists. around 95% of suicides occur under the influence of alcohol and or drugs. It seems like if you wanted to prevent suicides, you would be interested in something that has an impact on almost ALL suicides, not just half. My opinion is still to go after much larger numbers if I wanted to protect life. A quarter of a million deaths due to medical mistakes and malpractice. $0K dead and millions injured in auto accidents. I don't think a government controlling every aspect of life is the answer to suicides or crime, or just about anything.

@Roadsterrider hey do you think I care if you Americans are slaughtering each other.

2 places to carry a gun., a war zone and America

@Ryderbike Well, you responded to my comment, so either you are interested in the topic, or you are a troll. I give everyone the benefit of the doubt, an intelligent discussion on any topic interests me because I have an open mind, it seems that you aren't up for an intelligent conversation. I am okay with that,

@Roadsterrider “intelligent” being the key.

Your comment spoke for itself.

@Ryderbike Yes, I already said, if someone has to result to slur and insult, I assume they have nothing intelligent to say.

@Roadsterrider when someone lacks critical thinking skills ,pointless to debate / discuss them.

That many Logical fallacies in one comment was enough for me.

@Roadsterrider 40,000 gun deaths per year 70,000 non fatal gun injuries per year many resulting in permanent disability,

That’s year after year after year

@Ryderbike In chicago alone....

@Ryderbike Logic and critical thinking, yes, if I was going to try to save lives, I would concentrate on the largest contributors to fatalities. Logically, which should be tackled first, the one where 15,000 are victims of crimes? The 25,000 that are victims of themselves, the 100,000 that overdose, or the 250,000 that die due to medical malpractice or mistakes med while under a doctor's care? What would have the greatest impact on saving lives? Logic says, solve the biggest problem and you would save the most lives, gun control is the least logical issue work on. But then, liberal ideology isn't about saving lives, it is about control. To talk about saving lives and then try to make gun control the answer is ridiculous, this is especially true if you know that guns are used by law abiding citizens between 2 million and 5 million times annually. The NRA says 2 million, I have seen different numbers from DOJ and other organizations that go up to 5 mil. The record gun sales over the past few years have been blue states with the greatest numbers of new 1st time gun owners. When the choice is to be murdered, robbed, raped, in the next few minutes and the police are 20 minutes away, what would you choose, to protect yourself and your loved ones until law enforcement could get there or just to let a criminal take what they wished? I choose to protect what is mine. If you choose to put your safety in the hands of someone else, that is up to you. The original post is regarding Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law. I think De Santis should be applauded for the PSA about homeowners standing their ground, he put every looter on notice that in Florida, it is okay to take out criminals. Anyone who gets shot looting someone else's property, it is their own fault. If they played by the rules, they wouldn't be in danger of getting whacked by a homeowner. What kind of POS tries to rob someone who has just lost almost everything of what is salvageable anyway?

@Ryderbike What logical fallacies? The numbers are there if you want to look.

@Roadsterrider

Logical fallacy
“People get killed in a car accidents so we don’t care kids get massacred in schools”

@Roadsterrider far more people drive cars for more often than people use guns and yet

GOATS AND SODA
Gun Violence Deaths: How The U.S. Compares With The Rest Of The World
In a study published in the journal Trauma Surgery & Acute Care Open on Tuesday, they found that firearms overtook car crashes as the single largest cause of traumatic death in the U.S. in 2017 and 2018, with suicide responsible for the most YPLL from firearms deaths. Older white males were most affected by suicide, and younger Black males were most affected by homicide. Researchers pointed to the policy applications of the study.

"More resources should be redirected and allocated to these at-risk populations to decrease this potentially preventable cause of death and years of life lost," wrote the research team, which was led by Dr. Joshua Klein of the Westchester Medical Center.

@Ryderbike There are 300M vehicles registered in the US, that includes cars, trucks, commercial vehicles, RVs motorcycles and various off road vehicles that are registered. There are more than 400M firearms that were purchased after it was required to track such purchases. the requirement for a serial number was part of GCA 1968. Nobody really knows how many more firearms were sold in the country before this, but it would certainly push the number higher than the ones that are tracked.

Doctor Klein's opinion is just that, an opinion. He is not an elected official nor a legal scholar, his opinion carries no more weight than any other citizen. My opinion is that criminal activity should be addressed instead of banning something outright that only a small percentage of the population is misusing.

Criminals use cell phones for drug sales, human trafficking, and all sorts of activity. Would you support getting rid of cell phones to stop criminal activity? My opinion is that the criminal activity should be addressed whether we are talking about guns, cars, motorboats or cell phones. History has shown that banning guns doesn't work, It is almost impossible for a civilian to own a gun in Mexico for example, yet the criminals in Mexico have military grade hardware and are indiscriminate about how they use it. Venezuela banned firearms except for government and police, having a firearm unlawfully means a 20 year prison sentence. Venezuela still has the highest murder rate in Latin America at 40 per 100,000 population. While the rate in the US is 7 per 100,000. Mexico is around 30 per 100,000. There isn't a way to prohibit firearms without disarming the entire world. Prohibition will not work, has never worked in any country that has tried it.

@Roadsterrider

None of your comments change the facts that more people drive cars more often than use guns. And everyone agrees to legislation and regulations to make cars safer and penalties stronger. I have one question for you. How many references do you have to supply as an American to purchase a firearm?

@Roadsterrider Oh and by the way don’t spread propaganda with your lies about wanting to ban all guns. We are talking about gun regulations.

@Ryderbike Well, unfortunately, the politicians moving in this direction are proposing bans of firearms so claiming that they aren't is a blatant falsehood. Current discussions in congress and the senate revolve around banning "assault rifles" and semi-auto high capacity handguns.