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Seth Rich proves Trump innocent and democrats guilty

Seth Rich was murdered shortly after Assange announced he had obtained a trove of DNC emails showing dirty DNC secrets. That theft of DNC emails enraged Hillary and her campaign team. What do we know about Seth Rich? He was a Sanders supporter who was offended by the crooked way Hillary and the DNC stacked the deck against Bernie Sanders. What does Rich prove?

Rich proved the democrats lied about the emails, Trump, and the involvement of the DC police and the FBI in the coverup of the murder. The FBI lied about having Rich's computer. The DC police claimed Rich was murdered on the street in a robbery, but the DC police did not report that someone broke into Rich's apartment and stole his computer. When asked about Rich's computer the FBI lied, claiming it did not have it. The democrats claimed Trump colluded with Russia to steal the emails, but that was proven to have been a deliberate lie. Robert Mueller was hired to get to the bottom of the email theft but he never found out who stole the emails and he never looked into the Seth Rich connection to the case in spite of Assange suggesting it was Rich who exfiltrated the emails.

Rich proves the democrats lied about Rich and his murder and then lied about Trump, and that proves the democrats colluded to lie about what really happened in the exfiltration of the emails.

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ElwoodBlues · M

@marke says

Mueller never found how the DNC emails were exfiltrated from the DNC to Assange and never did CrowdStrike. Anyone claiming otherwise is lying.

You can deny all you like, but Mueller found out plenty via metadata on files found on the computers of Russian hackers. He found out who stole emails from DNC computers and gave the emails to wikileaks. It's all in the Mueller report.

Mueller Report Volume 1, p 41-51; U.S. v. Viktor Netyksho, et al
Summarizing:

Russian hackers from the GRU, the Kremlin’s military-intelligence directorate, conducted multiple rounds of hacking that resulted in the theft of sensitive data and emails from the Democratic National Committee and Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta.

They gained access to the servers of the Democratic National Committee as early as the summer of 2015; John Podesta’s emails were compromised in March 2016.

Russian intelligence worked with a cutout, WikiLeaks, to disseminate the stolen information.

Metadata on files found on the computers of Russian hackers suggests that they had completed their transfer of emails stolen from John Podesta’s inbox to WikiLeaks in mid-September 2016.

On September 20, 2016, after Russia transferred files to WikiLeaks, members of the same Russian military-intelligence unit “also successfully gained access to DNC computers hosted on a third-party cloud-computing service. These computers contained test applications related to the DNC’s analytics,” which the hackers copied and stole.

You can also read Mueller's indictment regarding email theft here:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:U.S._v._Viktor_Borisovich_Netyksho,_et_al,_Indictment.pdf

@marke says

Crowdstrike said they had no idea how the emails were exfiltrated from the DNC but tended to think maybe those who speculate the Russians did it may be right, but nobody knows for sure.

CrowdStrike disagrees with you.

Did CrowdStrike have proof that Russia hacked the DNC?

Yes, and this is also supported by the U.S. Intelligence community and independent Congressional reports.

Following a comprehensive investigation that CrowdStrike detailed publicly, the company concluded in May 2016 that two separate Russian intelligence-affiliated adversaries breached the DNC network.

https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/bears-midst-intrusion-democratic-national-committee/

Note the source of the link! Crowstrike itself is saying they have proof Russia hacked the DNC.

marke · 70-79, M

@ElwoodBlues

No, that is not true. Crowdstrike said they had no idea how the emails were exfiltrated from the DNC but tended to think maybe those who speculate the Russians did it may be right, but nobody knows for sure.

ElwoodBlues · M

@marke says

Crowdstrike said they had no idea how the emails were exfiltrated from the DNC but tended to think maybe those who speculate the Russians did it may be right, but nobody knows for sure.

Crowdstrike disagrees with you.

https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/bears-midst-intrusion-democratic-national-committee/

Note the source of the link! Crowstrike itself is saying they have proof Russia hacked the DNC.

You haven't provided a single link to back up your claims. You seem to be badly misrepresenting crowdstrike's statements. Maybe you want to clear that up?

marke · 70-79, M

@ElwoodBlues

I have never seen any proof that CrowdStrike claimed they know who hacked the DNC computers, stole the emails, and delivered them to Assange. CrowdStrike never identified any crook and never explained specifically how the emails were supposedly transferred to Assange.

ElwoodBlues · M

@marke CrowdStrike says they have proof the Russians hacked the DNC and when they did so. CrowdStrike states as such on their own blog. They know who stole the emails, and they know where they turned up and they have key metadata to help trace them.

But still you deny. Is it now your contention that wikileaks got their copies of the DNC emails via some OTHER hacker whose work went completely undetected by all the US intelligence agencies? You really seem to be grasping at straws, and your original claims about CrowdStrike were easily disproven by a simple google query resulting in a CrowdStrike blog post.

marke · 70-79, M

@ElwoodBlues

[QUOTE]
Mueller Report Volume 1, p 41-51; U.S. v. Viktor Netyksho, et al
Summarizing:

Russian hackers from the GRU, the Kremlin’s military-intelligence directorate, conducted multiple rounds of hacking that resulted in the theft of sensitive data and emails from the Democratic National Committee and Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta.

They gained access to the servers of the Democratic National Committee as early as the summer of 2015; John Podesta’s emails were compromised in March 2016.

Russian intelligence worked with a cutout, WikiLeaks, to disseminate the stolen information.

Metadata on files found on the computers of Russian hackers suggests that they had completed their transfer of emails stolen from John Podesta’s inbox to WikiLeaks in mid-September 2016.
[/QUOTE]

Let me explain why I believe this whole scenario is filled with untruths. If the FBI had been tracking the GRU since the summer of 2015 then why was the DNC just finding out about the hack in June 2016? Guccifer 1.0 began hacking overseas in 2013 and less than a year later he was nailed and jailed. If the FBI had been tracking GRU for more than 7 years why has nobody been arrested and why did the FBI refuse to do a hands-on investigation of the DNC computers? The FBI was not interested in the DNC computers because they knew there was no hacker and because examining the computers would have revealed the exfiltration was done by a DNC insider, likely Seth Rich.

If democrats wanted to cover up the Rich murder all they needed to do was invent invisible foreign hackers who would and could never see the inside of an American courtroom where the democrat lie would be exposed.

ElwoodBlues · M

@marke You depended upon the expertise of CrowdStrike. Now I'm doing the same. You can pick your nits with them.

CrowdStrike's own blog post explains why the DNC asked CrowdStrike to analyze the intrusion. Why was nobody arrested? Because they were working out of a building on the outskirts of Moscow; the FBI has no jurisdiction there!

I'm not going to address your fantasy conspiracy theory; I'm not going down that rabbit hole with you.

You made claims about what Mueller investigated; those claims are demonstrably false. You made claims about what CrowdStrike reported; those claims are also demonstrably false.

You are now moving the goalposts. I have no need to follow the movement; I have proven your original claims are wrong.

marke · 70-79, M

@ElwoodBlues

It is up to you to prove which statement was right. Did CrowdStrike tell the truth before Congress or did they lie before Congress and contradict that lie on a blog?

ElwoodBlues · M

@marke You'll find evidence-free GiAnTt CoNsPiRaCiEs everywhere, LOL!!

Your claims about what Mueller investigated and what CrowdStrike found were both FALSE.

If the FBI had been tracking GRU for more than 7 years

What exactly is meant by "tracking"? What's your source for this claim?? How do we know this claim isn't just as false as your other claims???

You never provide a single link or any data to substantiate your claims, so I'm going to assume your later goalpost-move claims are just as false as your earlier claims. Have yourself a nice evidence-free day!

marke · 70-79, M

@ElwoodBlues
Democrats claim the reason they cannot prove their allegations of Russian hacking is because the Russians are in Russia where nobody (especially Americans suspicious of democrat lies) can interrogate them. They are like the mysterious secret 'whistleblower' Schiff brought in to unjustly impeach Trump on the hearsay word of an accuser nobody was allowed to see or question.

ElwoodBlues · M

@marke

Democrats claim the reason they cannot prove their allegations of Russian hacking

WRONG!!!

You really should read at least the CrowdStrike (your chosen source of expertise) blog post I linked you to. Here, I'll quote it again:

CrowdStrike says they have PROOF. Take your argument them.

marke · 70-79, M

@ElwoodBlues

Your claims about what Mueller investigated and what CrowdStrike found were both FALSE.

If the FBI had been tracking GRU for more than 7 years
What exactly is meant by "tracking"? What's your source for this claim?? How do we know this claim isn't just as false as your other claims???

You never provide a single link or any data to substantiate your claims, so I'm going to assume your later goalpost-move claims are just as false as your earlier claims. Have yourself a nice evidence-free day!

I quoted the sworn testimony of Shawn Henry in response to a question by Adam Schiff:

Mr. Henry: Counsel just reminded me that, as it relates to the DNC, we have indicators that data was exfiltrated. We do not have concrete evidence that data was exfiltrated from the DNC, but we have indicators that it was exfiltrated.

You claim that evidence is false but it is not. I challenge you to try to prove your false claim. In response to your question about 7 years of FBI surveillance of Russian hackers let me quote you:

They gained access to the servers of the Democratic National Committee as early as the summer of 2015; John Podesta’s emails were compromised in March 2016.

Driver2 · M

@ElwoodBlues muller was as incoherent as your empty suit in the white house
Did you here him testify ?

marke · 70-79, M

@ElwoodBlues

Democrats claim the reason they cannot prove their allegations of Russian hacking
WRONG!!!

You really should read at least the CrowdStrike (your chosen source of expertise) blog post I linked you to. Here, I'll quote it again:

Did CrowdStrike have proof that Russia hacked the DNC?

Yes, and this is also supported by the U.S. Intelligence community and independent Congressional reports.

Following a comprehensive investigation that CrowdStrike detailed publicly, the company concluded in May 2016 that two separate Russian intelligence-affiliated adversaries breached the DNC network.

CrowdStrike says they have PROOF. Take your argument them.

Unlike democrats, I refuse to accept alleged proof as real proof without real proof. How can they prove Russians hacked the DNC computers if they do not prove it?

ElwoodBlues · M

@marke CrowdStrike (your chosen source of expertise) proved it based on evidence. You, of course, will continue to deny and continue to move the goalposts. However, Your original claim was

Mueller was not looking to solve the DNC email exfiltration

And that's been proven false.

You next claimed

Mueller never found how the DNC emails were exfiltrated from the DNC to Assange and never did CrowdStrike.

That claim has also been proven false. CrowdStrike, (your chosen source of expertise) says they find out who stole the emails. And they say so in this blog post:

https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/bears-midst-intrusion-democratic-national-committee/

But go ahead, keep trying to move the goalposts!!