Abortion question....

@SW-User great rationalisation for hacking unborn babies to pieces

Murder isn't necessarily anti-life

Violently ending the life of your child isn't necessarily anti- life

The baby YOU created with your actions and decisions comes out of your vagina one way or another

Either in pieces dead or alive

Hello? Any brain cell left un- indoctrinated that can grasp this fact? Your lies make me sick.

@SW-User What lies? 😅
You can call it murder if you want preventing life from developing certainly is a grey area. Most abortions happen when barely anything is developed and to that point a fetus certainly has not the capacity to feel anything. And a fetus has no life it can become life but as long as it's part of a womans body it has no right to live on it's own.

@SW-User So what are your constructive proposals to help unwed mothers to care for, provide for their children?

@SW-User They happen at all stages and you know it

Watch your own [b]wanted[/b]baby sucking its fist at 12 weeks then come back and tell me your child isn't alive

Society has no problem recognising wanted babies as babies

Women don't miscarry a 'clump of cells'

We don't tell them they lost something in a 'grey area' and that it wasn't really alive

So which is the lie?

Logically one has to be

@chrisCA I don't have to justify my position on not violently killing unborn babies to a cackling hyena

@SW-User Just what I thought.

@chrisCA oh don't flatter yourself, you don't think.

@SW-User well said!

I just don't know how women can murder their own children then later pretend to love their kids. What happens if Jonathen becomes inconvenient? Does he get snuffed out with a pillow and thrown in the trash? I suppose at least he isn't torn limb from limb until he is a mangled mess. But hey nothing beats a 'mother's love' right?

@SW-User in my country it’s been legal within a certain trimester for years. I am glad for it.

@SW-User Better not to bring a child into this world when the womans conditions are not right. Cause that can lead to the kids being mistreated or in the care system and we already struggle with overpopulation so better only bring babies into the world who are loved and cared for.
Child abuse, neglect, poverty, war all problems affecting kids why focus on those who don't end up starting out in life. If any of us had been aborted neither we nor anyone else would have been affected by it and it's not an easy decision for women.
They tell mothers who lost their child that because for the mom who was ready to love her baby it was supposed to evolve and come to life.

@LilithoftheTrees Same in my country and it's a good solution. Late term abortions are bad and people who get an abortion do have enough time to decide.

@SW-User I agree. Abortion mortality has dropped by over 90% here since it’s been legalised.

@LilithoftheTrees exactly cause you can't prevent abortions...a ban only prevents safe abortions. Historcially and in some places today even women had to mutilate their own bodies or commit suicide. I'm glad we are moving past that.

@SW-User the better solution is to have a reliable method of male contraception I think. But in the meantime that is the best countries can do. Within a certain trimester of course. Women have been aborting their foetuses since the dawn of human kind, many have died in trying to do so.

@SW-User wait, just wait, till you have the privilege of seeing your own wanted baby, your perfectly formed son or daughter, moving in the womb (if that's in the cards for you)

A baby is perfectly formed by 12 weeks with little fingers, little toes, all its organs.

It isn't potential life. It is life.

@LilithoftheTrees women have also been chucking newborns in buckets

@SW-User yes and your point?

@SW-User maybe I'll have kids one day but I don't see that changing my views. I have seen cute babies from relatives and it's good that they are loved. Whether a fetus is wanted and has a happy outlook on life should determine whether it will be able to develop into a baby or not. Life has no innherent value and a right to be born into this world neither exists nor should exist therefore i see absolutely no problem in an abortion.

@SW-User I didn't think it would change my views either

I actually got upset when someone suggested it might and said it had changed their opinion

If you believe life has no inherent value though, you might not change your mind at all

I don't even know if you have a cut off in mind or not beyond which you'd start to find it unethical to kill a healthy child, for say, being female

I don't disagree on not having a right to be born, I do however think there is a right not to be torn limb from limb. Not to have your skull crushed. Not to be subjected to extreme violence by the person who committed the 'mistake' that led to your existence

@SW-User I agree with german law that allows abortions till the 22th week. I take it you refer to female feticides happening in India? No I believe that to be horrible. Societal structures (Caste system) and the pressure and economic hardships resulting from said structures created that problem. I do find it unethical to kill a child that left the womb. Again you are refering to very late term abortions because a fetus is not capable of feeling pain until the 26th week. How it's executed might be tasteless for you but there is no pain involved.

@SW-User yeah here it’s up to the 20th week. Thing is people use such emotive language sometimes, discourse would go better if it was discussed in reasonable and calm manner.

@SW-User I do not agree with that pain claim and it is a controversial area.

A baby is a baby at 20 weeks. If you could actually see the fully formed baby being dismembered I don't think you'd be so blase about it

@LilithoftheTrees better than using non emotive language to desensitize oneself to slaughtering a defenseless baby

@SW-User it’s not a baby.