Democracy, draining the swamp and forced birth?

How do these things relate?

Check out this story about Drs, and patients complaining about how a patient had to undergo an experience no one probably wanted her to endure.

I know this is fodder for the pro-life/pro choice fight, but at the same time, knowing all too well how badly things go when legislators, under the guise of doing the will of their constituents, pass laws that make things worse rather than better.

I know it would be costly and empower unelected educated professionals and bureaucrats, but I think physicians need to be consulted in drafting legislation when they have the expertise and when it's their business being affected.

https://jezebel.com/louisiana-woman-is-forced-carry-headless-fetus-to-term-1849418243

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LeopoldBloom · M

Regarding abortion, legislators are far more conservative than their constituents, as the recent vote proved in Kansas. Whether this translates to actual losses for Republicans in November will show how significant it is.

trollslayer · 46-50, M

Pro life folks seem to think the majority of women seeking abortions are single women in their teens and 20s who were just fooling around. The reality is that those women are in the minority of those seeking abortions. They also seem to think that people who want to have kids have sex for a few months, conceive, and deliver a baby 9 months later and that medical complications are rare. The reality? Over 50% of human embryos have a genetic abnormality and can never grow to a healthy baby. Most miscarry before they know they are pregnant, but for those that know they are pregnant miscarriage rate is something like 20%. I personally have known a woman who had to carry a deceased fetus for a week because removing it would be considered an abortion. My own wife and two kids owe their lives to Roe V Wade. We all agree that abortion is a sad thing and that we should not waste human life - but pro-life folks are simply ignorant to basic biology.

soar2newhighs

Legislators…must come down from their high horse of “ I know what is best…” and factor in a quality most are ignorant of, don’t understand or don’t possess; and that is EMPATHY!

MistyCee

@soar2newhighs Empathy would really be great, no doubt, but I'm guessing when they put in exceptions, they were relatively empathetic.

I'd blame them more in this case for lack of diligence, passing the buck to the courts, and thinking more about the political benefits of passing legislation, whether it was "good" or effective legislation, or not.

It's not all that different, imo, than that crap with the Texas legislature micro-managing school curricula instead of getting input from and giving discretion to professionals.

We need professionals to draft legislation, in addition to elected legislators, and when a law affects a profession or an industry, folks in that profession or industry should have input into how the legislation is written.

I know, that makes more a more cumbersome and expensive government, but, it can yield a better government, which I think should be the goal.

Kwek00 · 41-45, M

@soar2newhighs Maybe legeslators should just be in favor that people are free to have an abortion. Can organise their private lifes as they wish. And then this subjective notion called "empathy", shouldn't be confusing anyone in the future when it comes to this partcilair toppic. Because "empathy", is no objective tool to measure what the law should permit and what not and judges also are going to have hard time using the tool of empathy to every case of a person that they are being send when they are interpretating the law. Even though the interpretation of the law can be a subjective business, so is the "empathy" of judges. And thus there will always be rulings where other people will say that the judge need to come from his high tower and have a bit more "empathy", and pretend that everything would be just be solved if this was the case. Just saying "empathy", makes you feel good but doesn't solve anything.

Carla · 61-69, F

Which "experts" though? For each side of the cube, there is an "expert" that will support it.

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Carla · 61-69, F

@MistyCee thanks for that link.

I see how in theory that may work. On some level, it already does. But i am a cynic. I see unscrupulous officials and active, loud minorities enacting untenable laws.
And it is no secret what trump & company wish to do. Bannon has said it loud and proud. And i am pretty confident had there been no steve bannon , trump would be busy scamming investors instead of the whole country.

MistyCee

@Carla Just my own take, but I don't think either Bannon or Trump give a flying f-ck about abortion, social issues, or even policy, as much as how they can use them.

For example, on abortion, Trump seems to have been pretty savvy in terms of using NDAs, which would largely make the issue of abortion irrelevant.

And Bannon's been pretty upfront about stuff like social issues from the get go, being useful distractions for rubes.

Carla · 61-69, F

@MistyCee oh, bannon has declared himself a leninist. He wishes to burn the country to the ground, and then himself and his "people" will rise from the ashes. He uses faux outrage over those distractions to weaponize his useful idiots.
Trump is in it for the adoration and money. Bottom line.
Bannon uses that too.

Elessar · 26-30, M

So much for a small government 🥴

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