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Doctrine of Discovery

The Catholic church is rightly being vilified for inventing the doctrine of discovery - but none of the world's great powers can afford to smirk. All - including Britain and the USA - happily endorsed the idea, declared it to be international law and claimed it justified their seizure & rampaging colonisation of foreign lands & indigenous peoples.

I can't see what effect 'revoking' it would have except as a symbolic gesture. Maybe could be an attempt to de-'legitimize' future transgressions but I wouldn't count on it.
dancingtongue · 80-89, M
What we have is the product of many faulty assumptions emanating out of twisted irrational concepts.

1. Jesus, through the parables and actions passed attributed to him, clearly was egalitarian and focused on helping the poor and unfortunate; throwing the money changers out of the Temple; considered a threat by Herod and the Romans, fomenting rebellion against the Empire. Today he would be called a socialist and commie. Yet His own disciples and followers kept framing him in terms of Lord; saw the spread of Christianity in terms of political power as much as moral power; and at one time the Pope literally crowned the various kings of Europe. And today still maintains the Vatican as a free-standing state among nations.

2. When those European nations began exploring the planet -- ironically using tools like the compass and gunpowder developed in Asia and the navigation advances of the Moors, to "discover" new and faster routes to Asia and Africa -- they viewed any people with less developed societies (in their view) as having no rights, and the Catholic Church viewed them as savages, heathens, or infidels. So they encouraged this exploration and discovery as long as priests were brought along to proselytize.

3. When Spain and Portugal began to get into disputes over South America, Britain/France/Netherlands in North America, and all of them plus a few other European countries in Oceania, Asia, and Africa, they welcomed the Vatican serving as an early United Nations or League of Nations, dividing up the pie with their concept of Discovery. Which totally ignored the fact that the overwhelming balance of the planet and its indigenous peoples recognized neither the European nations nor Christianity nor the Vatican, and vice versa.

In other words, it was a terrible solution for a problem that was never framed in the right context, provided by a self-appointed authority not recognized by most of those who were most significantly impacted, and based on its own agenda of self-aggrandizement.
SteelHands · 61-69, M
There are things about this world that most people will never begin to grasp.

Like how it really is. Was. And always will be.

The subjugated aren't as noble as you think.

Those that are discovered will always 1. Resent those who are superior.

2 Idea the exploitation of the seafarers far from home.

3. Falsely enjoin them to stay with a false welcome, to learn how to sail the seas and conquer the seafarers homeland.

Now these peessess of shizz complain because they got outsmarted.

Yeah. Too bad for them.
SteelHands · 61-69, M
@markansas Not a legacy society that inhabited structures 10 thousand years after the collapse of the globally connected and modern trading civilization that existed almost 150,000 yrs. in the past.

You don't know about it? It was before there were genetic variants and most of the living became mindless parrot like masturbatory trash.
@SteelHands i would almost think you are a racist still
SteelHands · 61-69, M
@markansas You only think you think. A truly thinking person has no room in their head for such nonsense.
The discovery doctrine, also called doctrine of discovery, is a concept of public international law that was promulgated by the Catholic Church and European monarchies in order to legitimize the colonization and evangelization of lands outside Europe. YA AND US HERE IN AMERICA DID..
Manifest Destiny, a phrase coined in 1845, is the idea that the United States is destined—by God, its advocates believed—to expand its dominion and spread democracy and capitalism across the entire North American continent.
THIS WAS A CRIME ALSO. TAX THE CHURCH it is not a force for good.
dancingtongue · 80-89, M
@markansas And then came the Cold War, and we expanded that Manifest Destiny into Pax Americana, spanning the globe.
I don't understand "discovery". I am sooooo not catholic.
@FlowersNButterflies It's another way to say "Finders keepers" with the addition of the idea that if you find someone else's stuff. you not only get to keep the stuff, you get to enslave the former owner and abuse them however you like.
The Catholic Church is an unfortunate authority in a lot of areas that they feel they have a right to oversee and rule.
dancingtongue · 80-89, M
Perhaps it is an attempt to protect those aliens living on the dark side of the moon. 🤔🙄😳
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