@AthrillatheHunt 👍 Me, too. The kind that looks at science articles and realizes cases are rising in my area and cases in general are underreported. The kind who understands the 6th grade principles behind masks. Ooh, and the kind that understands there's no "normal" and that ignoring reality can result in lifelong complications or death. So stupid.
But if a bunch of governors declared a (global) pandemic was over, well then...
"We don't have 900,000 new infections a day, and tens and tens and tens of thousands of hospitalizations and thousands of deaths.
"We are at a low level right now. So if you're [asking] are we out of the pandemic phase in this country? We are," said Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.
He didn't declare the health danger over; he moved the virus to non-pandemic phases. Very very different. All you have to do is look at case counts.
@Graylight Then why did you mock the governors for claiming the pandemic is over? Rules for Fauci, but not for the governors. Fauci is all over the place whenever he speaks and has even stated he's been fooled by this virus many times before whenever he was asked for clarification on his end of pandemic remarks. Why should anyone listen take his advice seriously if he is being 'fooled'?
Also, the Covid case numbers are used as a scare tactic. Birx and Fauci have said some of the Covid patients in hospitals have went in there for very different reasons, unrelated to Covid. They happen to test positive for Covid so therefore they call them "Covid patients".
@Graylight False. He wasn't following CDC guidelines after they had released the Covid mask and vaccines chart.
Do you remember when Fauci and all the so called health experts advised against wearing masks? Many of them stressed it could make you sicker. [media=https://youtu.be/QaZ5l1X7cTo]
Also, you are taking advice from a guy who has a near 100% failure rate of keeping his patients alive. He said it in a speech from 15:07 - 15:23 [media=https://youtu.be/wAeZe7PKjEk]
Like damn, he can't keep anyone alive but we should be taking advice from a guy who lied about removing his mask so he could drink water at a baseball game? All of these tyrants remove their mask and have been caught removing their mask once they think the camera is off. They cannot follow their own rules, which by definition means they are the tyrants.
@adhane05 Look up evolving science. Look up improving and adjusting for new information and developments. This wasn't replacing a window pane; it was a pandemic that crippled the world.
The great chant of any crowd - fix it for us. We know we ignored advice - fix it. We know we failed to comply - fix it. We know we're not taking good measures - fix it. We're bored with this virus - fix it. My business is losing money - fix it. I know I injected a bleach product into my arm - fix it. I know I went to a super spreader event and am now taxing the healthcare system and taking care away from another person - fix it.
@Graylight Nobody is following these guidelines! Not the experts in science nor are the mask wearing lunatics. It is based on whenever people think there might be a chance Covid could be spreading and maybe then they put on a mask. Oh wait, should they be wearing 2 masks by now cause 1 mask isn't good enough these days? Apparently, the OP is posting outdated science. Fauci is telling us any mask will work and it is better to double mask, cause wearing 1 mask wasn't good enough in most of 2020. Dr. Leana Wen is telling us wearing cloth masks is nothing more than facial decorations and we need to be wearing N95 or something like that. The chart is telling us we don't need to be wearing masks for the most part after vaccination and vaccinated people are still preaching how important it is for EVERYONE to be wearing masks everywhere we go. Can you not understand the amount of conflicting messages your side is spreading? I listen to this shit almost every day in the media and there is never any consistancy on how to defeat this virus. Wearing a mask isn't good enough, we need to be wearing 2 masks, but those aren't good enough, we need to be 6 feet apart, neither is good enough, we need lockdowns like they do in prison. Why should I be following Covid guidelines if science can change at any moment and the people who often preach these guidelines aren't following them? Also, where is the study that disproves the idea how masks make us sick? Is that mask sanitized enough? Most people shove them in their back pockets after they walk outside. It becomes medical waste in your pockets and reusing medical waste on your face doesn't seem like it would be very healthy, but lunatics will ignore it because they care enough to wear a mask while they were in the store. It's the evil anti-mask nazis who are making us sick, right? Biohazard waste bins are nowhere to be found, but we are finding medical waste in the parking lots. Good on the person for wearing a mask temporarily, am I right?
If you're telling me to lookup evolving science, then it's obvious to me you are losing the argument. How about pointing out where I am factually wrong? I don't believe you have once refuted anything I have said, but I am pointing out where you're wrong.
The second paragraph in your comment makes zero sense. People don't need to follow advice if they didn't ask for it. We don't need Fauci telling children to avoid hugging Grandma because she might get sick and die. He was actually asked by kids if it was okay to hug their Grandma and he told them no. He is an evil tyrant and you support this man? He could have at least told the kids it's up to their parents and Grandma, but Fauci wants to pretend he is Jesus Christ and if we only listen to Fauci, nobody will get sick again.
Another thing, when did Trump tell us to inject bleach? From what I understand, he was referring to UV light. You were manipulated by the media and you should watch again what he really said: [media=https://youtu.be/tz46JG6Or3g]
He was using medical terminology and disinfect is a medical term, but I assume you already knew that since you're all about the science. Trump even hinted we should be getting more sunlight and the experts were telling us to "stay inside, stay safe." More people were dying from the lack of vitamin D in 2020 than previous years.
I dare you to start proving me wrong and make me look like a fool. I'll admit to it if you can prove it. Try proving me wrong and how you're not tyrannical. People need to lose their business cause you're afraid of Covid? They can die because they can no longer afford food and shelter, but look at you standing up to Covid and not let it win.
@Graylight Then you haven't read my entire comment. I have stated you are supporting tyranny, masks are ineffective, nobody practices what they preach when it comes to mask wearing anyways, and you have been gaslit by the media when they said Trump suggested bleach for Covid. Do you remember what the deal was from Fauci and the corporate media after we were vaccinated? You no longer have to wear a mask once you are vaccinated! Indoors or outdoors, it didn't matter. These are the people who caused all the "vaccine hesitancy", not Trump or Republicans. Listen carefully to Fauci, he has stated we don't need masks once we become vaccinated (and also the opposite): [media=https://youtu.be/mp0IyL3rB4A]
The masks are nothing but humiliation ritual from the elites and that includes Fauci. Before the George Floyd incident, we were told masks can lead to sickness and even during a pandemic they aren't offering any real protection. There is scientific data out now showing how masks has done a lot of harm to children and they are struggling with pronouncing words because they cannot see how words are being said by their teachers. It is also frustrating as fuck if we cannot hear each other clearly because the mask tends to muffle our voices. We are going to have a lot less empathy towards one another if we can no longer see each others facial expressions and I believe the next generation is going to be more dumb and psychotic, unfortunately.
Now, tell me these "well established points". I want to hear your argument for wearing a mask and so far you've given me "Fauci, the scientist!" As if scientists wouldn't be interested in looking after their own asses like the politicians. Prove me wrong as I am curious to hear your side of the argument. If you can't, then you don't really understand the science and this has become your religion.
@Graylight Aren't you doing the same thing you accuse me of? I have been telling you about the studies how masks are doing more harm than good and you have not once addressed any of those studies. The CDC has recently admitted they have made mistakes when it comes to Covid-19 guidelines. How can you possibly trust them at this point?
@adhane05 The issue here is the source information. Google, YouTube, out-of-context sound bites, social media and news outlets that preach to their choirs are not legitimate sources. Research has been vetted, repeated, it's variable weighed and considered, analyzed and presented by experts in the field. There is data and evidence to support the claims and prove the results.
If you cannot understand the difference, we have little to debate.
@Graylight Haha, seriously? You haven't done much debating at all with me. I've addressed most of the things you've said and showed you how wrong you were with pretty much everything you have brought up, but you haven't even attempted to prove me wrong with anything I have stated and you avoid my arguments so you have very little to debate. 😂😂
Google, YouTube, social media, and main stream news outlets aren't legitimate sources, but they are responsible for promoting Fauci and the CDC like you just did in an earlier comment. Are they not doing enough censorship for you? They're responsible for giving us a North Korean style of Covid propaganda that it becomes laughable.
The more you speak, the more you sound like Loretta Lynch giving a testimony in Congress with your extremely vague responses.
Research has been vetted, repeated, it's variable weighed and considered, analyzed and presented by experts in the field. There is data and evidence to support the claims and prove the results.
Who talks that way? And why are you leaving it up to the trusted "experts" to vet the research? You sound like a Jehovah's witness. Doing your own research is considered a sin in their religion.
@adhane05 Again, you delude yourself into some kind of expert position through YouTube and "alternate" sources. See exhibit above. Nothing has to be debated because no one willingly drives down a dead end.
Incidentally, I talk that way. So do others who practice scientific disciplines, understand verbal exactitude and watch more than the Family Guy. When you understand the Scientific Method, feel free to haul all those degrees behind you and join the discussion.
