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Changeisgonnacome · 61-69, F
We're being groomed for war-. Nobody good cares About peace in the US media.
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Elessar · 31-35, M
@Changeisgonnacome Complain with Putin for that
Changeisgonnacome · 61-69, F
@Elessar still not getting peace-. Good job!
Elessar · 31-35, M
@Changeisgonnacome Peace doesn't happen unless all the parts involved want it. Russia clearly doesn't want it, or we wouldn't be having this talk.
Changeisgonnacome · 61-69, F
@Elessar have war, then, of course! You have every excuse. Nobody expected anything else from the global policeman.
Elessar · 31-35, M
@Changeisgonnacome The U.S. is not involved. As I said, reroute your complaints to Moscow and see if Putin/Lavrov will listen.
Changeisgonnacome · 61-69, F
Elessar · 31-35, M
@Changeisgonnacome You're rambling about nonsense. This is Putin's war. One needs to be particularly stupid or particularly radicalised in order to shift the blame or this nonsense to any western nation
Changeisgonnacome · 61-69, F
@Elessar whatever! No blaming anyone who might want peace, nobody good can want peace-. You're sticking with war. No kidding! NATO is war forever inc.
Elessar · 31-35, M
@Changeisgonnacome If you claim to be "neutral" hiding under pacifism when an oppressor is oppressing a victim you're siding with the oppressor (i.e. defending the status quo).
And wasn't it for NATO the same sh*t that is happening to Ukraine would be happening to Poland, Lithuania, or any other country unlucky to be too close to RU.
And wasn't it for NATO the same sh*t that is happening to Ukraine would be happening to Poland, Lithuania, or any other country unlucky to be too close to RU.
Changeisgonnacome · 61-69, F
@Elessar I'm against war, not neutral. You claim to require that.
Elessar · 31-35, M
@Changeisgonnacome Yes, me too. And you stop one only by making it hard for the perpetrators to continue it, tanking its economy and boosting the defenses of the oppressed. Which is what we're doing.
Changeisgonnacome · 61-69, F
@Elessar no-. I'm sorry that's not the best or only way. That's the NATO way.
Elessar · 31-35, M
@Changeisgonnacome Who decided what's the best proposal, you? And what is your proposal? Let Putin have its way, because that's what you get if your plan is to "ignore" the thing, or try to talk him out of it.
Changeisgonnacome · 61-69, F
@Elessar you said it was the only way-. Economic war-. It's not the only way out. Peace obviously isn't the goal for you. It's my goal.
Elessar · 31-35, M
@Changeisgonnacome All talk and no juice. How do you achieve peace with a dictator that is occupying and demolishing a country with 1/10 its military budget?
Changeisgonnacome · 61-69, F
@Elessar whatever! Keep this war forever-. I can't stop you! Obviously you can't make peace with an enemy in a war! Or so you will want to claim. And you have no responsibility to try-. Blaming Putin works.
Elessar · 31-35, M
@Changeisgonnacome You evidently can't point out a solution that doesn't end up with Putin getting what he wants, that's for sure.
Changeisgonnacome · 61-69, F
@Elessar a negotiated peace between the two sides is a solution, of course.
Exactly what you want to make unthinkable. And you are!!!
Exactly what you want to make unthinkable. And you are!!!
Elessar · 31-35, M
@Changeisgonnacome Negotiations failed. Were you sleeping the past few months, or? Putin doesn't accept any negotiation that doesn't imply Ukraine ceding land.
Changeisgonnacome · 61-69, F
@Elessar you don't fail forever in the quest for a negotiated peace-. You still have a responsibility to get there. But we certainly don't expect that from NATO! It's war expansion inc.
Elessar · 31-35, M
@Changeisgonnacome Yet while you keep failing and retrying your "negotiatiom", the Russians, undisturbed, will kill and rape anyone they come across with i Ukraine. Sorry but your solution is a bullsh*t solution, from a practical standpoint. Clearly, since it's not you the one getting killed or raped you don't care, the Ukrainians ate evidently expendable to you.
As I said, go to Moscow and see if you can stop the war with your talks, in the meanwhile we'll continue to prop up Ukraine and make life a living hell for Russian military, oligarchs and leader. The quicker you are, the less weapons we'll send. ;)
As I said, go to Moscow and see if you can stop the war with your talks, in the meanwhile we'll continue to prop up Ukraine and make life a living hell for Russian military, oligarchs and leader. The quicker you are, the less weapons we'll send. ;)
Changeisgonnacome · 61-69, F
@Elessar I'm not failing or involved. Americans don't have the ability to stop NATO and in the dark that you bring to the topic, nobody will ever try for peace.
Elessar · 31-35, M
@Changeisgonnacome You complain about the present strategy at the same time suggesting that all we should do is "let the Russians get their way, while we try to talk them nicely out of it".
Yeah, no thanks.
Yeah, no thanks.
Changeisgonnacome · 61-69, F
@Elessar I said that? Wow. You're a liar. But we didn't expect truth with war! It's going to be one or the other.
You got war, by the way-. What you only ever always wanted forever. Now ending the war will be controversial and anti American.
You got war, by the way-. What you only ever always wanted forever. Now ending the war will be controversial and anti American.
Elessar · 31-35, M
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