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Guns! Predators! Gangs! Abuse! Gators (if in FL)! What do conservatives ban??


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basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
The part that always plays bongos with my balls is that they claim to be for free speech and against censorship...then ban books.
@basilfawlty89 They were always the ones banning books. I would’ve thought this "free speech" claim meant they were planning to stop. It just meant "free speech for us", of course.
HoraceGreenley · 61-69, M
@basilfawlty89 Not all books are created equal. We don't allow books that teach the world is flat either.
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@HoraceGreenley I thought you were free speech absolutists? Censoring books is against free speech, so how do you square that position?

What you really mean is you want books banned you don't agree with.
HoraceGreenley · 61-69, M
@basilfawlty89 No. Education requires a curated approach. There isn't time to teach every idea.

As a free speech absolutist one has the right to say and write whatever you want. But that means I have the right to disagree and ignore your speech.

It also means towns, cities and syates have the right to ignore speech as well.
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@HoraceGreenley but they have no right to ban it, which goes against free speech.

As for curated education, forgive me, but I recall several textbooks in the South claiming slavery wasn't that bad and that creationism is as valid as evolution. If you're for historically correct and scientifically accurate textbooks, why allow those then?
HoraceGreenley · 61-69, M
@basilfawlty89 No they do have the right to ban it. All the ban means is that the book can't be used in official school curriculum.

The books are still available in the marketplace.
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@HoraceGreenley but you justify the ban by way of it not being historically or scientifically accurate as part of a curated education. Surely creationism isn't scientific?
HoraceGreenley · 61-69, M
@basilfawlty89 I said no such thing.

Don't put words in my mouth.
boudinMan · 61-69, M
@basilfawlty89 so, what you're saying is once a book is used in a classroom, that book ALWAYS has to be used. it can never be changed in favor of a new or more appropriate book... once the decision is made, that's it, you're locked in forever... right?
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@boudinMan never said that, who decides what is appropriate and based on what? Again, if a book contradicts history and science, why do you lot allow it if it's due integrity of school curriculum?

The truth is you don't want people taught about the horrors of slavery and the genocide of Native Americans. You don't want to them to know gay people exist. You want to erase whatever makes you feel uncomfortable. Oddly, you call others the snowflakes.
boudinMan · 61-69, M
@basilfawlty89 no, the actual truth is you don’t know me nor what i think, yet you pretend that you do. my daughter, a seventh grader, has been learning all about slavery and the treatment of native americans for several years… and she has a gay aunt, so way don’t you get off your high horse and stop acting like you know what people think.

i think if a math book is teaching something other than math, then it doesn’t belong. math doesn’t need to teach kids about slavery. can you grasp that?
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@boudinMan nice strawmanning. The books removed included history books which were written by the perspective of people of colour, usually removed because it made white people feel uncomfortable. For the facts over feelings crowd, you lot sure are susceptible to prioritising feelings over facts.
Quetzalcoatlus · 46-50, M
@boudinMan That math book was banned because it had a Maya Angelou quote and mentioned the black women that helped launch some of the NASA programs in the 60s. This CRT mess is just an excuse to erase the POC perspective from history..
boudinMan · 61-69, M
@Quetzalcoatlus that’s what you say it is and that might be partly true, but i’m sure there’s more to the story. and what does maya angelou have to do with math anyway?
Graylight · 51-55, F
@boudinMan NOTHING. That's why the reasoning (and he's not incorrect) behind banning the books is so obviously stupid.
boudinMan · 61-69, M
@Graylight might as well start teaching about jesus in geometry class.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@boudinMan You are an exception to evolution.