I don't favor abortions. I favor [b]CHOICE.[/b] Please stop misrepresenting me.
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@ShadowWolf Sorry, you don't have the "choice" to poison the air everyone breathes or the water everyone drinks.
[quote] While it wasn’t made a crime not to get vaxxed[/quote] Translation: it was never mandated. Finally, you're admitting the vaccine was never mandated. At last you're admitting you've always had the choice to refuse the Covid vaccine.
It's true that some choices entail certain inconveniences. If you choose to go barefoot everywhere, many establishments will refuse entry to you. If you choose to eat strictly Kosher, don't expect every restaurant and bar to have a variety of Kosher options.
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@ElwoodBlues what about when COVID vaccines where being forced to maintain a regular life? Did you care about choice then
@SW-User DUUUDE!!! Covid vaccines were NEVER forced in the US. NEVER. Please stop lying about the recent past we all remember.
Private businesses have the power to make rules regarding the health of their employees and patrons, and they did. Sometimes that imposed a bit of inconvenience on vaccine refuseniks; nothing more.
@CestManan If you didn't have falsehoods, you'd have nothing to say, would you? But now you're asking for the ol' cut & paste!
[b]Covid Vaccine effectiveness data from the US 2021 — did they work?[/b]
[u]Executive Summary:[/u] In 2021, the 75% of Americans fully vaccinated produced under 20% of the Covid deaths, while the 25% unvaccinated Americans produced over 80% of the Covid deaths.
In 2021, the 75% of Americans fully vaccinated produced under 31% of Covid cases; while the 25% unvaccinated Americans produced nearly 70% of Covid cases.
This means the US unvaccinated had a 5X higher chance of contracting Covid compared to the vaccinated per capita, and that overall the unvaccinated had about a 15X higher probability of Covid death per capita.
Note: since 'Long Covid' occurs in 15% to 25% of Covid cases, that means there is also a 5X higher prevalence of Long Covid per capita among the unvaccinated.
[u]Details[/u] Source [b]https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm[/b] is a CDC analysis of 25 geographically dispersed US jurisdictions. It presents statistics on Covid incidence and death rates broken up by "wave" (dates) and age, separately for vaccinated and unvaccinated. Most of the key data is in TABLE 1.
[u]Discussion[/u] Note that the period is Apr-Dec 2021; why? In the first quarter of 2021 we were busily vaccinating the 65+ cohort; the most vulnerable. There was an excess of unvaccinated deaths in that period and not enough vaccinated people to make a fair comparison. Including that timeperiod would skew the data to make vaccines look even better than they are.
Note that the total deaths add up to 117,207, while the total 2021 US Covid death toll was about 550,000. That is because this data is for 25 representative jurisdictions, not the whole nation. This data represents over a quarter of US deaths, so percentages from it are statistically representative of the overall US Covid situation.
Vaccine effectiveness (VE) declined from the pre-delta to the delta to the omicron waves, but vaccines still provided significant protection. [quote]The age-standardized IRR for cases in unvaccinated versus fully vaccinated persons was 13.9 during April–May and progressively declined to 8.7 during June, 5.1 during July–November, and 3.1 during December, coinciding with the periods of Delta emergence, Delta predominance, and Omicron emergence, respectively. This decline suggests a change in crude VE for infection from 93% during April–May, to 89% during June, 80% during July–November, and to 68% during December. Age-standardized IRRs for deaths among unvaccinated versus fully vaccinated persons were relatively stable; crude VE for deaths was 95% during April–May, 94% during June, and 94% during July–November.[/quote]
Booster doses were highly effective. [quote] During October–November, age-standardized IRRs for deaths among unvaccinated persons were 53.2 compared with those in fully vaccinated persons with a booster dose and 12.7 compared with persons without a booster dose; these results represented crude VE against death of 98% and 92%, respectively.[/quote]
Incidence rate ratios [quote]IRRs were calculated by dividing incidence among unvaccinated persons by incidence among fully vaccinated persons (overall and by receipt of booster doses); after detrending the underlying linear changes in incidence[/quote]
@SW-User It’s only “my body, my choice” when it suits their agenda. The vaccine was mandated not only by private business, but also government entities. He forgot to mention that. While it wasn’t made a crime not to get vaxxed, the left did what it always does best: litigate, shame, and subsidize to get their warped agenda through. That is taking away the personal freedom to choose. I know people in both private and public sectors who had their lively hoods threatened due to the lefts mandate.
For the record I’m one of the gray area abortion “supporters”. There are cases in which I agree it’s fine.
@ShadowWolf Sorry, you don't have the "choice" to poison the air everyone breathes or the water everyone drinks.
[quote] While it wasn’t made a crime not to get vaxxed[/quote] Translation: it was never mandated. Finally, you're admitting the vaccine was never mandated. At last you're admitting you've always had the choice to refuse the Covid vaccine.
It's true that some choices entail certain inconveniences. If you choose to go barefoot everywhere, many establishments will refuse entry to you. If you choose to eat strictly Kosher, don't expect every restaurant and bar to have a variety of Kosher options.
@ElwoodBlues here he is. A walking CNN. "I didnt say covid gene therapy should be mandated but just that every single business should be allowed to segregate ppl based on medical status. Yeah, yeah, i know the injection doesnt stop false positives on the fraudulent tests, has a 12% efficacy that lasts for 1 week then reduces to 0.86% (based on bogus pcr) but i dont care. Your body, my choice.....but abortions. Your body, your choice. Mmmmm i love contradicting myself from my self-erected moral pulpit"
@ElwoodBlues its over.....you have been lied to but cannot accept it. More and more ppl are realising this. I dont blame you not wanting to admit it as you were pushing segregation on the back of those lies. Man, youve been had big time
@ElwoodBlues You sure do spread misinformation like the Communist News network. [quote]Sorry, you don't have the "choice" to poison the air everyone breathes or the water everyone drinks[/quote] Sorry I'm not poisoning anything with my fossil fuel vehicles. Learn about catalytic converters sometime. You only support personal choice when it suits your radical agenda huh? Also, I do have the choice, and will continue to drive my fossil fuel vehicles until the day I die. Suck on that lefty.
[quote]Translation: it was never mandated. Finally, you're admitting the vaccine was never mandated. At last you're admitting you've always had the choice to refuse the Covid vaccine.[/quote] I admitted nothing. It was mandated by executive order, and then reversed by the courts, as it should be because it was an infringement on CHOICE. You lefties are hopeless.
@ShadowWolf [quote]Sorry I'm not poisoning anything with my fossil fuel vehicles.[/quote] If that were true, cities like LA wouldn't have smog, [b]LOL!!![/b]
[quote] It was mandated by executive order,[/quote] Wow, you are SO misinformed!! The only executive order for mask wearing covered the federal workforce federal land and properties. This order was never overturned, because it's within the President's authority. Tell us, is it blissful being so ignorant???
P.S. What did you learn when Trump lost the election??
@ElwoodBlues [quote] If that were true, cities like LA wouldn't have smog, LOL!!! [/quote] LA has smog due to a cumulative effect of being in a valley. We've discussed this. And there are many other things in that Godforsaken valley that contribute to the Smog. No other city/town has the issue, and hasn't since the 80s. [quote]Wow, you are SO misinformed!! The only executive order for mask wearing covered the federal workforce federal land and properties. This order was never overturned, because it's within the President's authority. Tell us, is it blissful being so ignorant???[/quote] The only one who is blissfully ignorant is you. Keep listening to Newsom and your liberal overlords, and you'll believe all the lies they spout. That is called propaganda. It was used in Soviet Russia, China, and Nazi Germany.
@ShadowWolf Keep listening to Tucker and your right-wing overlords, and you'll believe all the lies they spout. That is called propaganda. It was used in Soviet Russia, China, and Nazi Germany.
